Posting this here in the absence of an ingame-related suggestion/complaint forum.

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/08/25/gay-marriage-confirmed-in-skyrim-prepare-for-breakdown-of-society/
(edit. Here's the specific link from PAX saying there would be equality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAio4sMTsUE )

According to several pre-release sources we were promised that we could "marry anyone" (and) "regardless of race or gender." however, I am sorely disappointed, and fairly vexed, to find that the list of marriage capable NPC's does not contain any Khajiit or Bosmer canditates of either gender. (Also apparently no High elf, or Redguard males are available.)

Why is this so Bethesda?
Don't say racism. Because my character should not be forced to have a racist view of the world around her, even if many of skyrims citizens hold this.
Don't say it is because of the low number of their races, because you could certainly have put more in.

I had high hopes for the marriage system, but now it is somewhat breaking my immersion. Especially because, as a khajiit, it is very hard to imagine why no khajiit could ever be interested in my character.

I'm very much hoping there will be (sometime soon) a patch to include these races in the marriage system.

(PS. guys, I'm not bashing the game. Skyrim is definately deserving to be the game of the decade. Which is exactly why I want this system to be corrected. As the marriage system stands now it is only better than the Fable system because it has more than 1 race.)

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(Feel like i need to explain this point better because so many get confused on the point of racism.)

When i say "Don't say racism." I mean, I have considered wether or not the racist element in Skyrim would affect whether or not khajiits or bosmer were able to marry their own or not.
And I reached hte conclusion. No, it would not stop them from marrying their own.
And so using racism as an excuse for these marriages not being available, would not be a legitimate explanation.
Now stop telling me i'm playing the racist card.

no offense but i think marriage is one of the most broing additions to the elders scrolls, i dont play the greatest game ever to be able to marry another NPC and have them get in the way everytime i fight, couldnt care less about marriage in a video game

The reason for lack of khajits would be the fact that they are not native, and the only Khajits in the game are caravaneers.

That's nice... for you, but not for everyone, and the OP has a point that Beth claims that you can play any character you want, any way you want.

Of course, I have posted elsewhere that they need to stop such false marketing claims, too, or risk looking hypocritical (which is nicer than saying they simply lie, but they still need to knock it off until they include a far better variety of character art and other elements).

i agree its not good for them to not include something that they said they would to people that wre looking forward to it, but i dont see anyone not buying a game for that reason

Wow, we better write our congressmen. :rolleyes:

To quote myself from the last topic I was in on this subject.

All good. My character hates Khajit!

But I dunno. They made the game they can do what they want.

There's no Altmer men available, either :shakehead:

Just like real life, marriage is disappointing in video games.

IT'S THE MOST REALISTIC MECHANIC IN THE GAME!

:P

Go demonstrate outside the bethesda offices that lizard men can' have gay marriages in the game.

Uhm... I'm assuming you didn't do the quest for Ysolda?
She is trying to get Khajiit socially accepted. And khajiit are more than just randomly generated bandits. They are caravaners around Skyrim. And you should definately be able to persuade a traveling merchant to marry you. (seeing how they will likely end up setting up shop where they move in anyway.)
The arguement that they are not native to skyrim can also be used against all other non-nord races, so just drop that lousy explanation.

You mean the one where she wants a mammoth tusk? Yeah I did that. How is that relevant exactly? She feels bad for the caravaners but other than that I've seen no mention of her actually doing anything about it. And I never mentioned anything about "being native to Skyrim", if you'll read, but rather "play far greater roles" in Skyrim. So I didn't use 'that lousy explanation'.

Again, it's a coincedence. There is no 'hate' against them. And to quote myself again from that previous thread about this subject:

Don't worry.. I hear there is a bill sponsored by Barney Frank that will hopefully amend this dire situation, should be hitting the House early next year.

Ysolda seeks to improve relations towards the Khajiit, presisely because she dislikes the way they are treated. that in itself is a clear sign that khajiits are not meant to simply be tiny numbers. Besides, i read a book about the cats of skyrim. it suggests khajiits having made a home in skyrim. (Believe i found it in the Whiterun castle).
Either way, I'm a Khajiit Thane of Whiterun. How would I not be allowed to take a khajiit spouse?

I'm telling you. no matter how you spin it, it makes no sense as a whole.

The native part was meant as a response to an earlier poster.




Another point to add to the list. (Even if I strongly dislike the altmer.)

Because you keep looking for an RP/lore reason behind it. The problem is purely technical. End story.

Well, it should definately be easily fixed then. End Story.

(knowing that nothing is 'easy' in gamemaking, It is relatively easy to fix.)

Ok, now that's funny. Seriously perplexed about the marriage thing. I'm just saving for a house right now so I can dump off some stuff; not really worried about having someone there. Some of you guys are actling like it's a game breaker. It's not. It's the first time they've included it; I'm kind of tired of the whole romance thing after DA2. Everyone in your stupid party except the dwarf with the machine gun crossbow was humping your leg. It was annoying.

It's boring because Bethesda made it boring.

There's lots of unneeded prejudice in this thread.

:rofl:
/thread

Here... Eat this wahburger and french cries. Wash it down with a whineken while I go call the wahmbulance.

Indeed. As if "Furries" aren't just another human with personal views on matters (also known as opinions.)
Besides, one doesn't have to be a furry to play argonian or Khajiit.

All I say is that I dislike the limitations Bethesda placed on a feature they advertised (or tweeted) as limitless. And that it should take relatively little work to ammend this problem.
There is also another topic on over 5 pages on how limited the features inside the marriage itself is.


I'll admit I did not buy Skyrim for the marriage feature, but I simply do not like being lied to, especially not from a developer I look so much up to as Bethesda.


To the badmouthers. If you want to hand out prejudice, do it elsewhere.




Cute.. I'm sure your mother is calling for you to come in, playtime is over and its just about bedtime for you.

:rolleyes:

Y'think maybe that rather than lying, perhaps things changed during the development? Once they say something during development, does that become an ironclad commitment that they're bound to stick to, even if they decide they don't like the idea any more?