Yeah I don't understand why it's necessary to have fewer skills, factions, quests, weapon types, etc in every successive game of the series.

Daggerfall's transition to Morrowind was forgivable because they just trimmed out the things that didn't work at all in Daggerfall. But then they cut more and more cool things to make room for.. what exactly? Graphics are better, and the combat is more interesting than in Daggerfall, but you don't need to remove skills and the like to accomplish that.

Omg I just have a moment in inspiration. They didn't dumb the game down, the older vets like myself, from Arena and Daggerfall are just use to not having waypoints on every quest, or swords that do 350 damage. The game isn't dumbed down. its the younger generation of gamers! with a few exceptions. Now that I think about it, thats sadder then the original thought that the game is dumbed down.

I miss being able to buy boats, and explore hundreds of miles of terrain (even if it was randomly generated) and walk about in cities that had a hundred or so houses instead of 12. I think the problem for us old vets is, we've seen the world differently when cities were really cities, Daggerfall was a massive city that you had to use a map just to find your way to the castle, hundreds of houses. The scale shrank so much that these supposed great cities like Soiltude have been shrunk down to 20 houses with a wall around it. Thats not my Solitude. my Solidute had thousands of people living in it, not 35. It makes it harder to really embrace the world when everything seems to be a little bit off in scale. Or the fact that there is like a dozen legendary artifacts in one province which is just unheard of, they should be spread out all over Tamriel.

Old fans?

Most of the complaints I'm seeing come from forum accounts created after 12-1-11. Even the OP has been here for less than 2 weeks.

Most of the old fans can adapt.

We're fans of the series, the lore, the open world.

Bring back spell creation (yes), birthsigns (why? we have birthSTONES that dot the landscape!), medium armor (Orly?), greaves (I actually like the fact that "Armor" is both Greaves and Cuirass. You just want more clothing to Enchant...), The Adoring Fan (don't remember, sry), and good factions! (I wish there was a REAL "Warriors Guild" instead of the companions. Quest is too short.) Please Bethesda!

*And some kind of Arena. Why'd you cut one of the things I actually had fun doing no matter what Character? =(

Given that the next TES game will be for a new generation of consoles. I would not be at all surprised if it has the most overall content than the earlier games in the series. Course..this doesn't hedge off complaining since it of course does not give certainty that something fan X wanted in the game will actually be there.

Hear hear bring back etiquette

Yes, I agree with you about your fan X strawman that is all "they took spears out of Morrowind the series svcks forever until they put spears back".

But there are also a considerable number of fans who notice that, for example, the entire number of quests you get in a faction for Skyrim is about the same as ONE RANK of a guild in Daggerfall. And trending downwards. There has been minus content in every game. Not "omg the one thing I wanted." Content PERIOD.

Couldn't agree more Chunkyman. Also, I've had the fan boys and apologists jump on me in previous topics. Its ok. I've gotten plenty of messages from the vets saying they feel the same as me and understand where i'm coming from.

Skyrim is overrated.

The parts I think people trip up is distinguishing changes for streamlining, changes because they can't fit all the content they originally wanted and have to make cut backs,etc.

Part of the reason I am very very interested in how much TES 6 gives us is that it will be on a new console generation.

I forget what the syndrome is called, but some people here are clearly glorifying the past, swimming in nostalgia. Sure, Morrowind was a good game. But Skryim and Oblivion have made vast improvements. Apart from graphics, combat has been greatly improved. Skills have been streamlined to avoid redundancies and tedium. If there's one thing I do miss, it's spell creation.

But I believe that some of you are trying too hard to compare Skyrim to Morrowind because you're "vets" and any gamer who has been with a series for multiple iterations is likely to compare the old to the new at some point or another. I think it's time to put some of the nostalgia away and to try and take a bit of a more objective approach to Skyrim as an individual product.

But then they cut more and more cool things to make room for.. what exactly?

Oblivion is better than Skyrim. Each iteration keeps gutting and getting worse.

Oblivion is better than Skyrim. Each iteration keeps gutting and getting worse.

The questlines are better in Oblivion. It also has athletics, acrobatics, spellmaking, an arena, portable alchemy, more armor pieces, attributes, weapon/armor degradation, etc...

How was vanilla Oblivion better overall than vanilla Skyrim?

Edit after reading the last post:

Better questlines???? You got to be kidding. The mage guild and fighters guild quests were as uninspired or worse than anything in Skyrim. Have you forgotten the lame main quest or the huge letdown of Mannimarco at the end of the mage guild quests which consisted of mostly killing endless bunches of necromancers? The Fighters guild quests were so boring I don't even recall what the overall theme was there.