What Happened To This Series?

Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:06 am

All the cutting. All the snipping. All the streamlining. Sad to see Beth clearly shift focus to the casuals. As a vet of this once cherished franchise, it's a shell of its former self.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:47 pm

Nice to see your one track mind is still going the same direction as always
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:59 am

Honestly, I think the changes were for the best. I always could only get a few hours into the older elder scrolls games before getting bored, now that they've trimmed the fat I can focus on the dialog, the characters, the adventures, and most of all, the world, rather then whether or not I can make my character actually work.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:26 pm

Edit: Misunderstanding edited out.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:23 am

Bring back spell creation, birthsigns, medium armor, greaves, The Adoring Fan, and good factions! Please Bethesda!

Oh, and expect a flock of fan boys to show up any minute to tell you to leave the forum, go play Morrowind, stop trolling, say "inb4 lock", and a slew of other dribble.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:47 am

Unfortunately Beth has done this. They need to reboot before it's too late.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:57 pm

All the cutting. All the snipping. All the streamlining. Sad to see Beth clearly shift focus to the casuals. As a vet of this once cherished franchise, it's a shell of its former self.

Unfortunately, its not just bethseda. Almost all of the companies are dumbing down their games to appeal to more people. Pretty soon all games will seem like you're using God Mode when you play them. :confused:

WoW and the COD series started this trend and now everyone else wants to copy their success.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:46 pm

Well, OP I can understand you frustration but get ready with your umbrella because here comes a shower of angry folks going against ya.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:25 pm

Couldn't agree more Chunkyman. Also, I've had the fan boys and apologists jump on me in previous topics. Its ok. I've gotten plenty of messages from the vets saying they feel the same as me and understand where i'm coming from.

Skyrim is overrated.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:33 am

we are spoilt, we have seen what this company is capabal of and we keep expecting that "fat" because we have fun rolling around in it. I enjoy this game immensly with all the omplaints i have about it, i guess alot of us are complaining because we have watch the stepping down and we mainly are complaining for the future TES games.

Well im off to go play Skyrim LOL
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:24 am

Unfortunately, its not just bethseda. Almost all of the companies are dumbing down their games to appeal to more people. Pretty soon all games will seem like you're using God Mode when you play them. :confused:

Pretty much this. Don't really know what to tell you, OP, but it's not the fault of the companies. It's the fault of the gaming community. Companies just want to make money, and the money is to be had making games that are all flash and no substance. How many sales did Modern Warfare 3 get? Exactly.

Imagine Bethesda puts out a game which focuses more on substance than flash. Imagine, five years from now, Bethesda puts out a game that is visually identical to Skyrim but with a story and lore depth like that of the Neverwinter Nights series. Now, the game would be a success? Yes, but would it garner enough sales? That's the eternal question. The sad answer is, however, that if the graphics aren't stunning the game simply will not sell. That's the sad truth about today's gaming community.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:34 pm

Todd Howard + in charge happened.
That's how Morrowind happened.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 12:06 pm

What "fat" was "trimmed" from Oblivion that prevented you from getting into it Samurai?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 12:43 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lqD54UyyWdY#t=161s
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:01 pm

Series is fine and keeps getting better.

That's how Morrowind happened.
With a little bit of help from Rolston, I wonder what would've happened with Skyrim if he was still in charge as lead designer, would we still have the same problems as in the past or would things be better.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:09 am

Series is getting better? What game did you start the series with? Surely not Daggerfall.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:34 pm

Series is getting better? What game did you start the series with? Surely not Daggerfall.

Well, if you're going by Daggerfall's premise, then the series is kinda trading-off. Daggerfall WAS a good game, but Skyrim's positives easily outshine Daggerfall's negatives (mainly the bugginess and the initial difficulty curve). If you started with Morrowind, however, then there is no doubt that the series is getting worse in terms of content and depth.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:52 pm

It's actually more complex than the previous games. More armor types, deeper crafting, better NPC interactions, 250 perks, etc.

So, it is not shifting focus to casuals. The game is changing, and so are you.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:40 pm

Too many of these topics. Just go back to playing Skyrim, it will get your mind off of such thoughts.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:22 pm

Too many of these topics. Just go back to playing Skyrim, it will get your mind off of such thoughts.
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Playing Skyrim actually puts all these thoughts in my head. :confused: Whenever I go back to Fallout: New Vegas, and occasionally Morrowind, I feel like something's missing from Skyrim.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:37 am

Unfortunately, its not just bethseda. Almost all of the companies are dumbing down their games to appeal to more people. Pretty soon all games will seem like you're using God Mode when you play them. :confused:


You know, is strange but I will compare this somewhat with what happened to comic books. I remember that at one time comic book artwork(Spider Man, X Man, The Avengers, etc.) look a lot different from one another----because of different artists and whatnot----but I remember like in 1990 and later every time I went to a comic book store I saw the artwork almost identical in style. Like if the same artist had done it. What happened, so it seems, was that people get to love a certain style and little by little, eventually, the industry becomes aware of this "trend"---of what people are buying--- and all the companies/artists follow suit. I quit buying comics and I don't know if comic books still have the "sameness" in artwork.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:17 pm

Series is fine and keeps getting better.


With a little bit of help from Rolston, I wonder what would've happened with Skyrim if he was still in charge as lead designer, would we still have the same problems as in the past or would things be better.
here's a little detail you forgot to mention-he was lead designer for Oblivion too
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:04 am

here's a little detail you forgot to mention-he was lead designer for Oblivion too
Yes he was and I believe he has learned from those mistakes he made in Oblivion with KOA Reckoning.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:13 am

KoA looks like trash.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:09 pm

I think some of this sometimes has to do with the fact that Morrowind was kind of "esoteric", and being into it made one feel more like an "intellectual" gamer...... I agree with many of the criticisms and so on, but as some posters have said, things change. To be honest (uh oh, incoming...) I thought that Oblivion was a bit pedantic at times, ( I was big on assaulting Oblivion gates, maybe that's why) and even at times could get to be a bit of a "grind".

So far Skyrim has never seemed like a "grind", you can pursue whatever you're in the mood for. I know some players think it's "dumbed down" a bit, and that might even be true, but it's nice in a way to see it appealing to a larger fan base. I'm busy enough managing inventory and magic abilities and quests; I also read the books. MY only criticism is that every abandoned fort or cave is full of hostile bandits or monsters, etc. Now and then it would be nice to creep into a foreboding place and find that it's a hippie commune or something....lol...

And yeah, I love the graphics. After a billion hours of Fallout 3 it's nice to play in an elegant environment.
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