What Karma level do you hope the BoS has in Fallout 4?

Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:13 am

I kept the answers short and simple, its Good, Grey, or Evil.

I vote Grey.

This is what you hope for, not what you predict.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:12 am

I hate BOS so I hope they are evil, that way I have no qualms about disintegrating them. Ill do it anyway though
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:11 pm

same i vote grey, i want a brotherhood that dont want to care for the ppl, i understand why they did it on DC (only way to make sure Project Purity was possible) but now with the Instituted on the middle i want the old BoS back

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:31 pm

I think a lot of it would depend on which BoS we are dealing with. If it's Lyons again, then it would seem weird for them to suddenly become cold or downright hostile to folks. If it's another BoS faction, then they should be neutral to hostile (hostile depending on your status with The Institute, can't imagine these guys will play nice together).
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:41 pm

Grey.

It can work with Lyons. They already shoot at ghouls as well as super mutants in Fallout 3. No doubt they'll be antagonistic to both the Institute (high tech there) and the Railroad (filled with high-tech androids), though may likely fall more towards helping the Railroad, if only for possible advantages at recovering what's kept in the Institute.

And they can still keep the peace in Boston by shooting dangerous, (possibly) antagonistic creatures like deathclaws, super mutants, rogue androids and the like.
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:05 pm

Grey, make them like in the original games. But enable us to join them completely this time.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:56 pm

There should be no 'good' factions, and there should be very few factions that consider themselves 'evil' (or are too obvious about being 'evil').

I expect the 'good' factions to be all about helping the poor enslaved androids, while the 'evil' factions will not consider androids to be people deserving of rights; the BoS will certainly fall on the 'evil' side of that spectrum.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:26 pm

I like this, and climb up the ranks as well, indeed.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:29 pm



My hope is dark gray. They dont outright slaughter people but they act like the Thugs they are named after. (Knights were not actually chivalrous)
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:19 pm

Grey. I'd prefer to see the Midwestern BoS, with their highly practical, yet stern military organization. Considering the date though, it very well could be Lyon's East Coast BoS.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:11 am

I dislike this poll.
I want the Brotherhood to be grey but that does not mean it has to be suicidal isolationists.
I vote good Karma for Lyons Brotherhood. Bethesda just has to expand that edge they always had.
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:53 am

grey jedi ftw

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:52 pm

Grey. Although I honestly disliked the karma system in Fallout 3, just personal preference, I felt like the faction standings in New Vegas better fit the wasteland. Hopefully they have fleshed that out even more.
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:35 pm

42 votes on grey :D , this is good.

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Rachell Katherine
 
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:22 am

There is no Black and White in the Apocalypse...

You do what you must and show no mercy.

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There is also no Karma system. Which I like

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:00 am

I don't necessarily agree. This is the CW Brotherhood that saved unimportant, non-critical Wastelanders for no other reason than their Elder thought it the right thing to do. If the CWBoS has expanded the way I think they would of given a happy ending in FO3, they might be pretty quick to offer the Androids refuge; especially if they are skilled.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:22 pm


This has been known for a couple days, at least to me, but Skyrim is the same way. Do you think the Dark Brotherhood were good?

Do you think that necromancer cult in said cave was good?

Or how about that witch that was trying to sacrifice a random innocent human to become a Hag?

Their is Good and their is Evil in everything, and their is a Grey area. You don't need what is in that spoiler tag to tell you that.

The original doctrines of the Brotherhood of Steel are the reason that Lyon's broke off from the main BoS and fled East. Lyon's is good, every other BoS division is grey, The Enclave is Evil give or take, I mean I only give 3 options. Could the Enclave be more evil? Well yea of course, but they are not good.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:54 am

I expect them to be gray, if only because the Player Character was killing them in the trailer. That suggests that certain decisions might make the BoS hostile towards you... and it is easy to see which: Commonwealth is supposed to be filled with some of the most advanced technology in the Fallout Universe and I can easily see even Lyon's BoS becoming ruthless in order to get their hands on this tech AND take it away from "primitives". If the player ends on good terms with Androids or Commonwealth, he would probably get on the bad side of BoS. Unlike the local of Capital Wasteland, the locals of Boston might have a reason to view BoS not as saviors but rather as invaders.

Achievement info:

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The achievements reveal that you can join the BoS so these guys are definitely Lyon's BoS and not the Outcasts. So I still expect them to be more like White Knights than the xenophobical BoS.

No, Lyons did not flee east nor did he break away from BoS. Lyon was an official elder and lead a branch of BoS east to explore Washington. He only abandoned some of BoS laws when he arrived in Washington (which is why you have Outcasts there). And he even notified the rest of BoS about it and they allowed him to do whatever he wants (probably because they had better things to do, like wage war against the NCR).

However, it should be kept in mind that Elder Lyon was special. Most of his BoS did NOT follow his ideals so after he dies, they would become less of white knights (though still more open-minded than the rest of BoS).

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:30 am

I would be cool with either three but I most hope for a dark grey with less isolation.

If they were white knights I feel they should have some connection to Lyon's

Grey seems most likely, a lot of variability

Evil would be an interesting change that could be done very well if the writing is good. If it isn't they may turn out to be the cliche bad guys and that is just boring.
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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:31 pm

Yes that is correct Akul about Lyon's not fleeing east or breaking away from the BoS until he arrived in Washington, along with the West Coast BoS leaving him alone.

You are not correct or wrong about what you have in that spoiler tag, but that alone does not confirm anything. Unless said subject did get leaked already which is possible, no one knows. It is likely CwBoS though I would agree.

Though if you take the confirmed leaked date for the start of the game away I would tell you it is very unlikely CwBoS, now it is who knows.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:36 pm

I think a lot of people will be voting grey. I also think they are right on the money with how the BOS will end up being presented in a little over a week.

There's just so much uniqueness to having a BoS empire stretching across the east coast. Almost everything in writing has been done before, but I can't quite think of a post-apocalyptic knighthood order with advanced technology conquering a empire to acquire as much shiny tech as possible being 100% similar to anything ive seen before.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:34 pm

Its basically Fallout: Tactics, but with the BoS on the east coast, and less edgy since they dont do the whole crucifixion thing.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:46 pm

Oh YES, it would be cool if Lyon's BoS forms their own Empire. The end of FO3 gives them a great opportunity to start it and I hope they are smart enough to use it. They would definitely be a more unique state than NCR and Legion, even more so if they become less nice (and they probably will).

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:55 am

Yeah I need to play Fallout Tactics one day. But every single time I boot it up it just feels so inferior to Jagged Alliance 2 1.13 in terms of turn based tactics stuff that when combined with its half-canon status I just haven't gotten past the first map.

Have got the midwestern BoS lore through some of the strategy game mods people have made, they seem like a good faction to have kicking around. If Lyon's BoS goes down that path infusing it with the propaganda image of them being white knights it would add a lot to them.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:00 pm

Yes indeed, exactly what I am hoping for as well. Well more realistically this is what I am hoping for anyway.

I still have hopes for MwBoS but that is a pipe dream.

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