lol you didnt just because you say you did.. the means can not justify the end and his means are evil or dark or evil so he's evil.. screw what the legion will achieve (maybe) 50 years hence

edit: I am not an NCR fan myself because they repeat mistakes from before the war but I am impressed by the way they have managed to become so big that it'll take something very significant to bring them down. Personally I thought Mr House's vision for the future (for the ends he has in mind) was cool because obviously the guy is a long term planner and what mankind needs is a few more visionaries like him

Opinions are not facts.

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And good and evil are subjective terms.
For me, the end do justify the means, despite them being brutal.
For me Legion is good.

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Point is that you said Legion cannot be called 'anything' but an evil force.
Since evil is subjective and I don't share your perspective of Legion I 'can' call them something other than an evil force.
And as Sir Okie was kind enough to inform me, I need to back up my statement, which I later did.
Hence, I did break your argument.

You can't decide that 'your' opinion is the 'only' opinion that matters.
Legion, they can be called good, I just did.
Whether you agree with me or not is a whole another debate, but I 'can' call them something other than "an evil force".

The Master! I would love to see The Master again.
But maybe a more humle Richard Grey, taking into account that he's vision was flawed with the sterility of the Super Mutants. Maybe let him Spearhead The Mutant Liberation Front?

Going back to San Francisco would make for and interesting story. Seeing as it's a city rebuilt by the remnant chinese army and it's right up against the NCR's birthplace. And we have good old Vault 13 and Mariposa Military Base smack down in the middle. Alot of history went down in that area...

It would also allow a little more info on the Khans, the Vipers and the Jackels seeing as Vault 15 is there as well...

And i would also like a 'not-so-lovable' Brotherhood Of Steel.

In fact, the more i think about San Francisco Vs. New California Republic, the more it makes sens. The NCR has a problem with resources due their vast terratorial growth. San Fran has thriving agriculture, but it's limited only to SF. So a Resource War would be inevitable... Once again ripping up the old wounds of how the world, as we know it, came to be. China Vs. America Vs. The Wasteland.

I have tons of story ideas, just for this scenario alone!

Edit: Ps More Joshua Graham!

Well now that we know that the NCR beat the Enclave and the Bos, I don't think anything would have stopped them from capturing San Fran.

I would like to have some mention of the Shi, to learn once and for all what happened to them.

Also its Mutant Liberation Army.. Not Mutant Liberation Front.

Peoples front of Ju... the wasteland.

Certainly not the Wasteland People's Front

San Francisco was the biggest city next to New Reno, and it had far superiour firepower. I'd like to think they could fend off the NCR, at least long enough for a Protagonist to come walzing along.


Sorry, Mutant Liberation Army. ;D But yeah, the Shi played a small role in the overall game, but it was kind of a big deal in the story.


Dude, if anyone could survive, taking an atomicbomb to the everything, it would be The Master.

So San Francisco can fend the NCR, but various brotherhood bases and navarro couldn't?

Navarro pretty much dispersed after you blew the oil-rig to hell. The BOS was few in numbers and the sheer size of the NCR military would be enough to overwhelm them. But San Francisco would have grown simultaneously with the NCR. So that and access to heavier artillery and Kung Fu. ;D

I think they would have a chance.

yes you are entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine but were you arguing semantics?? what if I put it like this: their actions cant be called anything but evil would you agree with that? they take slaves, kill merchants and civilians in NCR, kill their own people who have failed in battle etc etc (you know it's a long list)

As for the ends----

The change they are trying to bring isn't a good one either.. maybe humanity could be united by Caesars methods and yes they would be more secure because they have less enemies which is ofc because of the legions brutal methods

but then people would have to live according to rules set by him like there being no drug/meds use or women being subdued and it doesn't necessarily sound a good thing to me

He is trying to build a society where people shun drugs and do not rely on technology. His society is meant to fall repeatedly until a scoeity with equality and kinder methods is formed.

Posted a stupid post.

Navarro's numbers are unknown, and how do you know the shipping would have grown that much? And the NCR had 700,000 people during fallout 2 so how is a city full of maybe a couple thousand people going to grow at the same rate, and even come close to the amount the NCR has?

They should just start from scratch and make new factions in a area that hasn't been visited before.

I want different towns/tribes fighting each other yet not to where the battle is like run goodspring run or ghost town gunfight some thing more serious like the concering of that town. Now on a NCR civil war I belive that should come by the time they reach the Misissippi River breaking fom colorado east to the mississippi. Now east of the Mississippi virginia wvirginiaand up controlled by lyons bros. south should be a united commonwealth. but the legion unfortunatly escapeing to canada.

That doesn't make much sense at all.

Caesar's Legion is in Arizona, maybe New Mexico, and probably parts of Southern Utah. The NCR is mostly in California and parts of Southern Oregon and Nevada, they don't even span out to Utah or Colorado, because the New Caananites control most of the trade routes there, and are very harsh on the NCR trade caravans.

What would make you think the NCR could reach the Mississippi, without also having to go to war with the MWBoS if they're in control of what they're suspected of being, at the end of Tactics? And the MWBoS, isn't the size of the Western BoS, they're probably much bigger considering their amount of territory and the manpower needed to control that much land.

I'd really like to see a renegade BOS chapter, hell bent and power hungry.

We already have TWO!

The Mid Western Brotherhood of Steel can become an evil dictatorship that slaughters mutants in the thousands, is that good enough? I'd rather Bethesda not do the 'Revolutionarily thinking Rogue Brotherhood of Steel faction that went to scout out a new area' thing again, wouldn't the Brotherhood realize that whenever they send somebody somplace new they decide to grow a brain and start a new faction?

Man this would be like fallout 7

What? NCR should never gain that much land, I want them to just stop growing so the series doesn't end with something like NCR and Lyons White Knights vs a generic slaver faction, they win and takes over America, forever at peace with eachother. But that's the road we'll be heading down if the NCR is to keep winning and expanding and if Lyons faction doesn't pick up any bad qualities about them.

This is only a type of scenario im talkin bout if there are some blows to mwbos trust me id love nothin more than to see ceasar stick a foot up their asses but we all no bethesda will let the "good guys" win

I really hope the MWBoS are not the good guys.

I hope they are a facist nation that slaughter mutants and kills those who try to defend them.

Has there ever been a robot faction of some sort ? not sure how well it would fit in but I think theres something there.