There is the Calculator's Army in Fallout: Tactics...

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So because the Legion utilizes strength over words, in a hostile enviroment, to bring the people together they are automatically an evil force?
Having the men in the Army and the women back home makes perfect sense for any faction starting out, what happens when all of they women want to join the Army and a large number perish compared to the male population - The faction dies out. What happens if they stay home - The faction florishes. 1 man can impregnate multiple women in days but 1 women can only be impregnated once for at least a year.
The NCR is delusional if they think they can continously walk over the Wastes claiming it as there own and opressing it with high taxes and - AND the fear of death.
Caesar's Legion > NCR

White Leg's did it.

Because Caesar told them it was what they needed to do to be assimilated (all Caesar himself cared about was trying to kill Joshua Graham...great, wipe out an entire community just to kill one man) and they did it under the command of a high ranking officer in the Legion (well, technically he wasn't an officer but was still a figure of high regard).

I know how it went, Casar > Ulysess > (trained) White Legs > Kills the Canaanites > Fails in killing Joshua.
But ultimately White Legs did it. I don't believe they (White Legs) were led into battle by Ulysess, since he's a Frumentarii and open combat isn't their thing, but rather were trained and set on their way.

SORRY! Sorry for saying what factions i would like to see in a future game.
I can clearly see that no-one in this forum is interested in a another fallout seeing as the, one and only, answer to anything is - NCR CONQUERS ALL!
No more story, because the entire USA is now occupied by the NCR.

Have a little imagination, man. Nothing is set in stone.

You better be sorry!

But anyways to me it seems implausible for the Shi to still be around.

Thing is that when Legion is going to conquer a place they need to decide what happens to the population.
Tribes are killed, enslaved or integrated into the military while towns are conquered and it's citizens become Legion citizens.
But how do they decide all of this?
Well, legionnaires are zealots who believe in their true god. If an opposing culture has a different god then it might be too hard to integrate them.
Hell, integrating a culture who has different religious beliefs could be harmful for the Legion.
So even if Caesar wasn't out after Graham I think that once they came to New Canaan they'd have to kill them anyway.

It's brutal and cold-hearted, but Caesar can't risk integrating the wrong kind of people.
Just like how the elderly is killed off in tribes they conquer. The elderly are more stuck up in their culture and has different ideologies that aren't gonna go away.
If an elderly tribal is allowd to live in Legion as a citizen he might spread his ideology around and cause others to start thinking differently.
Sooner or later this could cause an uprising. It's really sad it has to go down like that but Caesar can't risk it.

So New Canaan?
Even if Graham hadn't survived it would have to go.
Cause in Legion there is only one religion allowed.
And it ain't exactly easy to convert a religious person to a completely different religion.

So while Caesar were out after Graham getting killed they would have destroyed New Canaan anyway because of it's difference in religion.

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Don't get me wrong, it's still not pretty that New Canaan has to be eradicated, but to blame it on Caesar simply wanting Graham dead is not 100% correct.
It would have been eradicated later anyway, even if Graham wasn't there.

Like Randall Clark, it could be a nice reference to the Twilight zone episode 'The Old Man in the cave'.

His society falling repeatedly until a scoeity with equality and kinder methods is formed is obviously not a part of caesars plans but yes it might happen a century after his death. Meanwhile human life is already valued highly in NCR and meds and technology make life better more than they harm it so banning them cant be noble. So I wanted to know what further challenges does the NCR face in the next game

I dont know what to say to you because you seem to agree with Caesar that women are just for breeding never mind how much women have accomplished and continue to accomplish?

and forget women even his men don't mean anything to him he even burned graham and threw him in the grand canyon nor do the men who guard him with their lives. This is what I meant that at least NCR has value for human life while the lgeion has none. The rest well its open to personal interpretations.

I'm all for women doing stuff in RL, but this is game world we're talking, my RL views V GW views are somewhat different on some grounds. I agree that for the basis of the Legion to be secure the women need to be safe, whats safer the Mojave campaign or the security of their Homeland? Whats smarter bring an untrained women to the battle field or leaving her at home? If these women of the Legion knew how to handle themselves then I'd say they should be on the battle field or working as spies so long as they're are greater numbers back hom in Legion lands - There isn't a strong presence of females in many RL armies and NCR's army just exaggerates their presence.

What proof do you have that he cares none for his men, Caesar cares for his troops evid in knowing persuit of Enclave is pointless - opposed to Lanius who has them killed. Now that's just one pointer that shows he cares for the lives of his men.
The Burned Man, is burned for a reason - He's a failure. Failure even at the highest level cannot be accepted, Joshua cost the Legion hundreds of lives at the 1st Battle of Hoover Dam, not Caesar, and for all those deaths the penalty wasn't a cosy retirement - it was his own life. A fair trade if you ask me.
NCR cares none, how much do they care for the Khans they keep slaughtering, how much have they tried to help them, why have they stopped supporting the Followers, the very people who only care about others, why do they want House dead, why do they want the Brotherhood dead. NCR only care for land and profit. Legion cares for unity as one.

1. Caesar is perfectly fine with having women do work, he is fine with the Courier being a women for example. The difference is between male and female slaves. Male slaves that can't perform military duty is assigned to work in other things, like farming, mining, building and saluaging, while female slaves that can't breed are assigned to similar work tasks. Male slaves that can perform military duty are assigned to be trained in the Legion. Female slaves that can perform breeding are assigned to be breeders.
It's not that females are inferior to males, it's that females can do something males can't: give birth to children.
Females are not inferior in Caesar's eyes. The citizens are citizens, but the slaves are slaves. The work force are slaves, the breeders are slaves, the legionnaires... Are slaves.
Each slave is assigned to whatever is most suited for them to do. A man that cannot do military tasks are assigned to other work tasks, same with a woman, if she can't bear children then she is assigned to other work tasks.
"But why can't women be legionnaires?"
Cause women simply don't have the same physiology that men do. Women can damn well be warriors too, but why assign a woman to be a warrior when she can 'breed' warriors?
It's not that they are inferior to men. They have a superior trait: giving birth. And that's what Caesar values with them.
And men, generally, have better physical builds in terms of muscle mass, heigh and weight which are all better for a warrior.
It's not that women are just meant for breeding, that they serve no other purpose than to shoot out babies. It's that Caesar wants each slave to do what they are best suited for.
And men can't have babies.
And Legion needs more legionnaires.
So in fact, female slaves are more valuable than male slaves are.
The male slaves might be given more freedom but that's an illusion. Canyon Runner? He's a slave. Decanus Severus? He's a slave. Aurelius Of Phenix? He's a slave.
But what is the difference between a male and female slave? Well, a female slave has to carry a baby around for 9 months and then get impregnated again, while a male slave has to fear getting killed every single day of his life. Cause not only by raiders or opposing factions, but by his own legionnaires.
So a male slave's life is far more brutal than a female slave's is.

Anyway, the point is: Female "slaves" are used for breeding cause male "slaves" can't. Caesar doesn't devalue females, he still thinks they can accomplish great things. But a slave is a slave and each slave shall do what he/she can do best. Male slaves are generally assigned to the Legion, female slaves are generally assinged to be breeders. Those who can't be either are assigned to other work tasks.

And let's compare this whole slave thing.
A female slave, a breeder, if she behaves are not going to be strapped down in a bed for 9 months. A breeder might even be treated far better than a work force slave or legionnaire is treated.
Cause why beat or mistreat a pregnant woman? It will only cause harm to the child and the whole point of using breeders would fail.
So while we don't see any breeders in FNV; the breeders, as long as they behave, are most likely treated the best out of all slaves. (speculation...)

Now, we have a male slave, this young lad is gonna become a legionnaire, let's review a legionnaires life: You start off training which is really difficult and if you fail training, you die. Once you complete the training, which is going to be hell, you are immedietly assigned to a Decanus. If you try to run, you get killed, if you disobey orders, you get killed, if you fail to achieve a goal, you get killed.
Now you go out and raid opposing factions caravans with your Decanus. If they are well armed, you get killed, if you slip up, you get killed, if you break a bone or get shot you won't get proper medical treatment and will possibly die.
Now say you surivive for awhile and then they perform a Decimus, in a Decimus(?) all legionnaires line up and each 10th step out and is brutally beaten to death by his fellow legionnaires, if that 10th is you, then you get killed.
If you rise in ranks and you get corrupt, you get killed.
If you fail to complete a task, despite having the rank of a Centurion, you get killed.

Tell me, how is a breeders life worse than a legionnaires?
Legionnaires have a horrible life. They aren't free, they are slaves, they belong to Caesar, and a breeder just has to carry around a baby each 9 months and chill out in a Legion city.
A legionnaire never gets to settle down, he never gets to retire, he never gets to keep friends, he never gets to start a family, he never gets to pursue his own dreams.
Sure enough a breeder probably never gets to start a family or pursue her own dreams either, but it's a pretty smooth easy going life as long as you behave.


2. He burned Graham to prove to the legionnaires that even at the highest rank; Failure is not an option. It's meant to strike fear into the legionnaires and make them work harder towards achieving their goals.

Its Decimation.



You make pregnancy sound so easy. You forget that these breeders have to go through labour, which is extremely painful and without proper medicine and care the mother and child can die. The Legion dosen't use modern medicine as they believe it makes people weak. So the mother can't have anything to dull the pain. And after they have the child it is taken away to fufill its role in the Legion. And then they have to repeat this process again. So having to go through an incredibly unpleasant experience repeatedly only to have your children taken away is not a 'pretty smooth easy life'. I doubt any woman would want to go through that.
And you also forget that the women don't have any say in the matter. And that we have only seen one major legion camp, so we don't know how breeding slaves are treated. I doubt it is anything more than [censored] and being treated as an object.

You make it sound like its fatal. Its been happening for thousands of years.
Were proof of it.

Yes and during that time there have been a lot of deaths due to our lack of knowledge when it came to dealing with childbirth. We only survived due to our high birth rate.
It was only in the 20th century that maternal deaths decreased by a significant amount, due to advancements in medicine. So I imagine for a woman thats part of a faction that dosen't use something that prevents maternal deaths, childbirth could be fatal.

Modern medicine works wonders doesn't it.

Now why would you say implausible?

I think its possible that the Shi agreed on some alliance NCR, maybe a simple non-aggression pact with NCR. The Shi are peaceful but they are well armed and will defend themselves. With NCR going to war with the BoS, dealing with Navarro and expanding in all directions.. would they really risk a war with the Shi?

Could be the Shi formed their own state within NCR. But yeah there is good evidence to suggest San Francisco got taken over by NCR, one way or another.

I really hope we get to see a Legion city, just so we can know just how "bad" or "good" it really is for their civilians.

Nope.

It wasn't that long either, the posts we post in Fallout 4 Speculations and Suggestions, those are posts that need spoiler tags.
That one wasn't really "that" long though.
Can easily be scrolled past, and if the complaint is "but I'm on PS3/Mobile Phone so it takes longer to scroll!" I gotta ask; Why are you on the PS3/Mobile Phone? If that's your choice of web browser then you gotta deal with the consequences of it's program functions.

"But I'm on a computer and I don't feel like moving my finger to scroll down!"

Well then my good citizen, I have good news for you, if you click the scroller button in the middle of the page and move your mouse towards you the page will automatically scroll for you until you click the page with a right, left or scroll click again.

I'd like to see some cannibalistic group that isn't some inbred cannibal town like FO3 had. A raider gang, or tribal clan, that eats the flesh of their enemies would be cool to have, and maybe like Caesar's Legion, takes the babies and small children of their enemies to just help their numbers and increase the possibilities in their gene pool. Also, make them mysterious, and sort of like the Cannibals/Cavemen from 13th Warrior, where they're seen as "Ghosts" or "Demons" by townspeople who've never actually seen them because they dress as different things, and the dead are always taken away by them in the end. ALWAYS!

The Warlords (name subject to change)

A faction made up of loosely nit raider gangs, they are led by those who are known as the Warlords. Each Warlord, commands a different group of raiders, semi-autonomous for one another, they have since given up trying to kill one another, and have instead joined forces to take what they want from whoever they want. Their reach is far and wide, and they’re always on the move. Though they’re mostly a nomadic group, they do have a permanent settlement or two, that they use for various different things. Nobody dares approach their settlements, as they’re very hostile and dangerous, even if one is looking to simply trade, they’ll take whatever they want from anyone foolish enough to enter their walls.

They have no official insignia like a patch or mark, to show they’re apart of the Warlords, they’re simply identified by their unique set of armor, that is unlike any other in the wasteland.

They’re a fierce and violent bunch, willing to lay siege even, to a town just to get whatever it is they want. They attack anyone and everyone, who might have something they want. Caravans, Settlers, and anyone else, is a prime target for Warlords who come across them.

Being nomadic and far ranging, their numbers are unknown exactly, but they’re suspected of being a well sized group that isn’t easily able to be knocked over and wiped out for good. Their choice in weapons also varies quiet a bit, as they've been seen with primitive melee and range weapons, and modern weapons that are easily taken care of in the harsh wasteland.