Atmora had Dragon Priests, according to the book The Dragon War (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Dragon_War). It is mentioned that they were much more benevolent in Atmora. My guess the reason they became tyrannical in Skyrim was due to Alduin being there.

Giants came with Ysgramor.

Albinodunmer. You know how celestial bodies in TES work. I think of Mundus as an Oblivion plane.

Everyone always forgets about ALT-mora and the elves that used to live there.

Yep. Varieties of Faith in the Empire says that Orkey was an Aldmeri loan-god. Which makes me wonder: Did Akavir ever have Elves?

Yes I do but it seems like it is a body in the plane. So like a spherical lump of god corpses everyone is all living on.

Everyone's a giant in Atmora.

We know that Atmora is an inhabitable frozen continent to the north of the Sea of Ghosts, from Skyrim.
The dragon priests were the rulers there and dished out benelovent justice to the main populace.

Many nords travelled from Atmora to Skyrim in the early days but after a desperate civil war, a huge on masse came of them.
Ysgramor with his fleet of refugees, later to be slaughtered out of confusion with the falmer. But three did return to a now peaceful Atmora.
Gathering with them five hundred companions, which I've heard were dragons, they returned to Tamriel to enact vengeance on the falmer.

Other tidbits come from passing mention in lore. There was sighting from Skyrim of a ship full of diseased atmoran dead, for instance.
And Micheal Kirkbride would put it that giants were prevalent in Atmora, to the point of one being the continent's king in the second era.
Then you have the gods of Atmora which were the old nord pantheon (Stuhn etc.) with the symbolism of the totem animals seen in Skyrim.

The only other thing that comes to mind is that the language would probably be that of old ehlnofex, going off Tiber Septim's true atmoran name (Talos).
Perhaps the thu'um tongue would only be used by the Dragon Priests of Atmora. If it were the common tongue it could create.. devastation and havoc.

Speaking the words isn't enough for devastation and havoc. Most Draugr can't use the Thu'um though they speak the language. The Draugr and Priests all speak the Dragon Tongue.

Atmora is Aldmeris is The Dawn.

It's possible. Aldmeris could be a lot of things. Tamriel, Summerset, sunk into the ocean after the war... I like the sunken theory. Aldmeris could have been somewhere near Summerset (or Summerset was a part of it), and Aldmeris (all of/most of/part of) was sunk.

I personally subscribe to the theory that Aldmeris is Atmora is Kamal. But seeming as a lot of people on these forums focus on such elaborations,
instead of the actual detail in the post, I prefer not to adhere in adding such mention of ideas. Can serve to belittle a person's creativity in viewpoint.

Kamal? I wanna hear your theory.

Whereabouts does this crop up in lore? This is the sort of thing I'd love to hear more about.

Skyrim is the perfect game to feature Atmora in game. If they don't do it now, there might never be another chance. Keep your fingers crossed.

I think the boat of the dead was the last contact Nords had with the Atmoran people. Can't remember where it comes up though.

Just did a bit of digging and found that Atmora was inhabited as recently as 3E110, which is roughly five hundred years before the events of Skyrim.


If whatever's up there lived the five thousand years since Ysgramor's departure, it seems reasonable to suggest that they're still alive now.

Atmorans probably spoke Dragon. But yeah, I seriously hope there's still people living up there. And not just undead.

They're probably not Nords. Languages don't change much in the TES universe - that their language is separate to Tamrielic is significant. Unless, you're right, and they are Nords who still speak dragon.

Some of them are Giants. But if we see them in game they probably will be Nords. I would like to see an "Atmoran" race, very similar to Nords, but with more pronounced strengths and weaknesses. And height. Maybe after 5,000 years they will have bred with the giants enough that they are like Bretons, but half giant instead of half elf. But mostly human. Just 7 ft tall humans.

More like speculation on my part, but I'll do my best to explain it:

Aldmeris is Altmora is Kamal.

The ehlnofey are the fore-fathers of most of what we see in Nirn, they are known as the creators of ehlnofex or being giants.
Ehlnofex holds the most presence in Aldmeris and Altmora. Both continents holding mer and man whom left in the merethic era.
Both due to devastation, civil war etc. Giants held a strong presence on the continent of Atmora, according to MK's 'Talos meets King of Atmora' image.

How about it, if it were the giants (non-ehlnofey) that were the ancestors of the orcs, man and mer? they have the physical resemblances.
There is no known creation story to link them as such, except perhaps the naming of the dwemeri to 'dwarves'. But I suspect they are mistaken
for the ehlnofey many times over. The true ehlnofey I'm sure would be too large to comprehend, but their children (giants?) might not be.

So let's say that this was true, let's say that the giants were the ancestors of nords and aldmer in Altmora. The memory or racial heritage
of Aldmeris being a mere fabrication that was developed after long years of being away from their native homeland. Could the location
work? no, it couldn't. Aldmer arrived on mass from the south, southwest, meaning Aldmeris was likely to be in the south west from Tamriel.

However, if we add in the distinctive similarities of Altmora to Kamal, Akavir, we have a solution. Akavir is directly east of Morrowind, Tamriel,
how far? not many are sure. It could be directly opposite to Tamriel on the global scale. If so, one could find themselves on Tamriel from any direction.
I think there's a lot of lore that supports this: akaviri have landed in the north, east and I believe even High Rock or Hammerfell once.

But what are the distinctive similarities between Altmora and Kamal you ask? giants (Karstaag), dragons (Akaviri), snow hell (freezing to death)
and the fact that the Kamal Invasion of around 2E 550 went to Skyrim first. Not Morrowind, like was intended eventually, what with the climix at
Red Mountain. I could add that Khajiiti, Imga could be descendants of ancient colonial Po'Tun, Tang Mo, that moved to Tamriel under possible strife.
Like pretty much any other race in TES lore when it comes to colonising another continent, it has to be in turmoil as a ground rule, first, heh.

Well anyway, that fills in my theory. Not a great one. Quite lacking for some facts to fill the connection with giants, but looks alright.
Also as another note: both Aldmeris and Atmora are described as city(-state) continents, the same can't be said about other continents in that era.

"Aldmeris is Altmora is Kamal."
but Aldmeris is the home of all elves, and Men cannot come from there. As elnofey, they wandered on other continents. This is why there are Men in Akavir and Men in Yokuda and Men in Altmora but no elves in those places. (The Left-handed elves of southern Yokuda easily could have migrated, or perhaps the southern half of the continent was part of Aldmeris and the northern half wasn't.) Men aren't native to Tamriel/Summerset/Pyandonea; Kothrigi were descended from the hist and the Nedes were arguably Early Altmoran settlers.

Round. Some maps have Latidude/longitude, which are degrees.

Either you didn't my read my post very well or you didn't get it, nevertheless-
I'll leave it there untill someone a little less singular minded in overall concept comes along.

Akatosh is Alduin is Auriel is Alkosh is (maybe) Tosh-Raka.

Likewise:

A[l]tmora is Aldmeris is Kamal is The Walkabout is whatever phooey the Skaal are into at the moment.

"Akatosh is Alduin is Auriel is Alkosh is (maybe) Tosh-Raka.

Likewise:

A[l]tmora is Aldmeris is Kamal is The Walkabout is whatever phooey the Skaal are into at the moment."
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I don't follow. Akatosh is Alduin is Alkosh is Tosh Raka, that I understand. However, Altmora and Aldmeris are clearly separate entities with no relation at all to your previous point. Altmora is home to races of Men, Giants, and Dragons (the former two being descended from wandering Ehlnofey and the latter being 'lesser' Aedra — similar to the Ehlnofey.) Aldmeris is the super continent (or the myth of the supercontinet) of all the lands where elves can be found are; Tamriel proper, Summerset, and Pyandonea.

The walkabout is a (mostly; it's connection is really a stretch) different subject.

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Daroska, I appreciate the personal attack, but there are a few major flaws in your theory. I'm assuming that your thesis is "How about it, if it were the giants (non-ehlnofey) that were the ancestors of the orcs, man and mer?" although you also seem to argue that Altmora IS northern Akavir without any explanation as to how that fills in your theory. All you say is that "However, if we add in the distinctive similarities of Altmora to Kamal, Akavir, we have a solution."

I assume from this that you are trying to say that, if the elves arrived from the south-west, than there must have been a force coming from the North(east) populating the region with dwemer and the like. The thing with this theory is that the Elves didn't come from anywhere; they are native to Tamriel. Every province has its native mer population; the exception being Argonia. NO provinces have a native Mannish population (unless you wish to argue Nedes started in Cyrodiil; that point might lead to a standstill.)

This said, there is value to your theory. I have never before thought of the idea that the Giants might be proto-Nords. You don't directly say this, but you say that Giants are both the 'children of Ehlnofey' (Which, as sentient non-hist they must be) and the 'ancestors of men' (In controlling parts of skyrim and Altmora this isn't unlikely) they could easily be just that; the race of men that Lore buffs have always called proto-Nords, or Men during the Merethic, Dawn, and very early 1rst. I'll do some more reading and thinking on this and write something up in a few weeks this still makes sense to me.

In MK's Alduagga, it is said that the Giants are (or at least are believed to be) the ancestors of Nords.

More like the cousins. Nords diverged from Giants, but Giants are almost unchanged?