I wonder if humans and giants can breed.

What do you think Tsun is?

A god. How can you be so naive? What a grand and intoxicating innocence.

Nordic Zenithar.

Like the many faces of the Time-Dragon and the Space-God, Aldmeris and Atmora are cultural memories of a single phenom: The Dawn-Time.

This post deserves some appreciation. Well done.

I may have read something that said there is a small village of Nords still at Atmora. Small like http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Raven_Rock, but I may or may not have miss-read it.

Anuad - Everything was once one big land, and that's where everything came from. Then people got pissed and sank [censored] and we got the oceans. And separate continents. Ancient Atmora, Aldmeris, et cetera, were all the same place.

Interesting. Although I doubt it's true anyway, I used to think that the Reavers in Solstheim were actually from Atmora. Didn't dialogue in the game hint that they were foreign to Solstheim, or were they locals? Then again, it might have just been Skyrim.

A personal attack? no, no. I could not make such a jest. Tis' but a harmless observation for the benefit of the viewer.

The theory was but a jumbled mess of evidence, observations and beliefs. It was to be of use as a bare resource for others to ply upon.
However the overall idea was to prove that giants were the ancestors of man and mer, so as to make it possible, one has to merge continents.
Given the common similarities noted in the continents, it is then implied those similarities are in-fact the evidence. So not as much need for any historical references.

Ideally, I'd hope that people would read between the lines and fill in the blanks themselves. I'd rather create open theories than ones that'll be solid but besieged daily.


No to a lot of things. What I was trying to say there is that for the Aldmeri to be from the same continent as Atmorans, they'd both need to be on
a continent which is unrelated to the ones noted in lore. It'd have to be in an ideal location that provides the opportunity to land on Tamriel from
any direction via sea (so as to make all colonial trips from both races seem possible). Akavir fits this description from evidence of the akaviri arrivals.

I don't believe the mer are native to Tamriel at all. Actually the very thought shudders the Torval sailing around in my newly purchased vehk-ship.
I'm prone to belief that the aldmeri did arrive to Tamriel from somewhere else. They thought Aldmeris, but the Elder Scrolls said pretty much "Nope."

However, that doesn't exclude the possibility that the aldmeri just simply 'forgot' about their true homeland. By changing form, like the bosmeri,
some of the culture could of followed suite. As such a new 'false' historical guide or remembrance to suit their new forms and place in the world.
Like how the orsimer dramatically changed their whole culture, forms and history to fit with their newly transformed god: Trinimac to Malacath.


Life in the Elder Scrolls goes from large to small, unlike real life where life goes from small to large.
It goes without thinking that there must be a connection between the ehlnofey and the smaller lifeforms.

Just like the argonians have their half-plant (ent-like?) ancestors being a connection to the Hist, the giants could be the same for the mer/man.
And maybe the Ka Po' Tun are actually ancestors of the Po Tun/Khajiiti, whom descend from dragons? (Alkosh/Tosh Raka "Is really a big cat" ?).

Nordic Trinimac

Then how did they already know about Ada-Mantia? How did their first king ascend to heaven in full sight of his people in the most famous structure in Tamriel?

The most famous structure? White Gold Tower?

Well, they are. They are the descendants of the first wave of ehlnofey have been broken down from Et'ada. Torval was an Aldmer, but he found other elves when he explored Tamriel because THEY WERE NATIVE TO TAMRIEL. The 'bird people' in Cyrodil wer Ayleids and the 'Cat men' were Khajjitmeri for example. The second wave of Ehlnofey to break down weren't accepted by this first wave because the first Ehlnofey, the 'stagnant' ones, wanted to return to Et'ada form but the Wandering ones liked having kids and mortality and stuff. The wanderers were forced off 'Aldmeris' which is the central continent which would later break up into Tamriel, Summerst, and Pyandonea. These wanderers would turn into men; The Akaviri are men in so much as they are not Mer.


They did. Their true homeland is outside of Mundas; originally they were Et'ada before the convention. But their Et'ada broke apart into ehlnofey and became mortal.


There is. The Stagnant Ehlnofey became elves (Aldmer, Dwemer, Falmer, proto-Bosmer/Khajjit, and Ayleid at first)

Tosh Raka is a big cat, as is Alkosh. And they are the same. However, we know where the Khajjit came from. They were pretty much exactly like the Bosmer, and as such were shapless until Azura bound them to the Lunar Lattice and they became what they are. Bosmer got their shape by both their pact with Yffre and their intermarriage with Aldmer.

Direnni Tower. It's existence marks the existence of time; Convention happened the instant it landed.

I disagree with your over prideful factual stance on happenings and do not desire to war into over critical debate.

Simply I say is that nothing can be confirmed without a direct source of a developer's agreement in a particular point.
Theories and viewpoints are of our own opinion untill they are shared as canon. Both of us could be right or even wrong.
The Elder Scrolls has been based on belief and conjecture since the founding days of Arena, you cannot disagree with that.

So be a little bit more open on other peoples views and opinions, please. I'm not asking for a correction, I was just sharing a scrambled up theory.

Sorry, and I agree that theories are great, they just have to be rooted in the lore. Discussion makes theories stronger.

About sourcing my corrections;

Wandering Ehlnofey,
Childrens/Annotaded Nuad:

and from the Altmeri Creation myth



The decent from Ehlnofey to Aldmer is covered in the Altmeri creation myth,

and the Anuad,



Origins of the Khajjit are covered in their creation myth.



All of which is Cannon.

They could always be another side of the story. Belief works mythic in TES, what you see is what you see.
I'm not going to detail on how many creation stories are told in legends and come out as truth.
But still.. a story is a story. Books are not always canon. In TES they are merely an opinion, like Mysterious Akavir.

When an Elder Scrolls game or developer outright denote that myth as truth, then I will believe you. Otherwise I'm not yielding to your popular theory.

SEriously? Your going to doubt a theory because it is falsifiable? That's insane.

Canonicity is a tricky thing in TES, what with all the hermeneutical hijinks abound.

Best not to even mind.

I really don't think the Bird People were Ayleids. Ayleids looked just like High Elves. Ayleids were High Elves.

Well your right. Except they were Aldmer, The highelves daddy. who is dead.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14747429/images/1304045385704.jpg

[img]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:OB-creature-Umaril_the_Unfeathered.jpg[/img]
Yes he's in full body armor but I want to point something out; his toes. There are three of them. And his legs are perma-bend forward like beast races in Morrowind. Now look at his fingers. They poke out of his armor, following some sort of Leather glove, and they are golden. However, their finger nails are HUGE. like TALONS.

Farther, Aylied armor is covered with feathers and the like, their statues seem to have beaks, etc. They can't litterally be "bird people" but they are at least as 'bird' and dwemer are 'deep'

Umaril was only half Aylied. His dad was a god of the last kalpa.

Found some evidence from a local forum favourite's texts, lending slightly to my theory:



Haute the Ever-Demon cannot fool! I am a slave of the Benelovent Gravia's Spread, Jot's Void, wearer of the Eye of Ciirta.
Sheor's Fart will not avail you, Narcisstic Salmon of Sanctimony! Go back to the Apocypha. You shall not [ZERO-SUM] us!