There still would've been elements of Fallout though just not Core Region stuff that has no reason to be on the other side of the country. You could still have Vaults. You could still have power armor. You could still have creatures like radscorpions and mole rats. You could still have the old-school robots. You'd still have the retro-50s atmosphere you'd still have all sorts of things that would make it pretty clear that this is a Fallout game. Fallout has never been defined by factions. Anyone who would've criticized Fallout 3 as not a Fallout game based on their absence is not being reasonable. So yeah I get why Bethesda did what they did but that's not really the same thing as doing a good job. It's making understandable mistakes.

Some of it is lore, kinda. F.E.V was documented to only be on the West coast in the Mariposa Military Base, but yet it magically appears in DC - The Enclave having some is fine but the vault 87, nahh.
Besides that I think the rest is just daft.

Heck yeah bro, Tunnel Snakes rule!

Yeah, Tunnel Snakes rule.

So we are in agreement!

Evacuate the Tunnel Snakes from D.C. and then bomb the [censored] out of it!

Implying no Reilly's rangers.

I just started reading Fallout 3 and New Vegas Inconsistencies and after reading Brother None's replies, he makes a lot of strawman arguments, says he wants something logical and believable, but is willing to overlook all the "Science!" in the series and focuses on what people wear, and banters about cosplay or something even though its believable to have people strutting around in leather and resembling another army form history.

What a whiner.

They had personality?

They were mercenaries fighting Super Mutants. OOOOOOH~~ yeah real original.
Tell you what, we'll spare Eugene too. That's right, the minigun had more personality than the actual characters.

they have digged to deep on to the 50′s theme, in the old game every town and please had there owen time period stile.
ex: 30′s gangster, wild west, china town .... was any of the areas on the old games in the 50′s style?

Uh....yeah? The billboards, vehicle aesthetics, Pre-War music, et cetera. The difference with the two is the West Coast has had a chance to progress where as D.C. has remained a stagnant hell. It didn't begin to progress until James first started work on the purifier and the BoS came to town, then when the Lone Wanderer came around. He changed D.C.'s fate the same way the Vault Dweller changed the West's.

Vengance, father of Mercy, is to be spared.

*squints eyes* No.

yes some 50′s element mixed up whit pre 50′s stuff you cud run in to but not the 100% 50`s style. " the Lone Wanderer " effect was not implemented in fallout 1 ye′t, he have just exit the vault..... so they have digged to deep on the 50′s style, after all the only 50′s about fallout is that the time line X was during the 50′s.

The second time I've been able to say this about one of your posts:

Eloquent in its brevity.

It’s funny trying to explain what exactly is wrong with FO3, because a lot of it sounds goofy. “The Vault Doors are different”, and “They still use caps,” sound like nitpicking. But that’s because it’s missing the context of what those things meant in Fallout 1.
These weren’t just aesthetic choices or (like many FO3 changes) done because they were ‘cool’. These have history and lore behind them, lore that’s an important part of the world and the setting of Fallout. There's a reason the Vaults work the way they do in FO1/2. The history of the cap is tied up with the history of the Hub and the water traders.
It might not matter to most people, but fans of the series notice these things. We love the setting, we love the world and to see these elements reused out of context, devoid of their history, is a source of much complaining.


There are a bunch of other things that FO3 messes up, not directly related to the older games.
In FO2, NCR was already a powerhouse, having set up a Republic it was expanding outwards. It brought with it education and a much higher standard of living. About the same time, the citizens of Vault City had an almost modern lifestyle.
Meanwhile, 36 years later in the nation’s capital, they have yet to master the use of a broom to clear out their own living areas. And the idea of raiding that store a few meters to the south for its resources is apparently a shocking innovation that’s yet to occur to them.
For most of the people living in Fallout 2 the pre-war world, 200 years prior, was ancient history. And for some it was merely a fable or legend.
36 years later in the Capital Wastes they reference the summer catalogues, have an intimate knowledge of social trends and are just getting around to writing a survival guide that’s about 180 years too late.

If only Beth had ditched their dumb “always go forward” rule and make FO3 a prequel to the originals, this wouldn’t have been an issue.




The aliens not only contradict lore (it is hinted that the war started when china found out that the FEV trials were a success), but it does something far worse – it negates the very core and soul of the Fallout Series.
Fallout is about mans inhumanity to man, even when everything is gone to crap we are incapable of putting differences aside. Every Fallout game starts the same way:
WAR. War never changes.
Even in a post-apocalyptic world, war never changes.
But then that one DLC just says: “Oh, the Aliens did it.”
Really? Like…. REALLY?!?

No it doesn't, I've said this before just because one stupid Army official gets captures and interogated by Aliens, who can't speak English, doesn't mean they caused the war, it doesn't even hint at that. The Aliens tortured all of the humans for the purpose of creating hybrid alien/humanoids not for blowing up the planet - that stupid Official was just a loose cannon who was panicking and acting irrationally to try and halt the torture that was inevitable. How does "Uufjeffesalm" sound like "Give us the nuclear bomb codes for American missiles!" - it doesn't, the Alien were never out to destroy the planet, only to make hybrids in their experiments.
If you have proof they wanted to blow Earth up then, please, show me. Otherwise anyone saying it is just jumping on the bandwagon of MZ haters.

You're making things up - the stupidity of the army official (which we don't know he is) has nothing to do with it. There is no proof of either way, but MZ clearly hints towards the writers intention to imply aliens starting the war. They obviously understood english since they knew how to "look" for the launch codes, and there is but one use for such codes.

I'm making nothing up: Dialogue from one of the recordings of an American Army Official during interogation aboard Mothership Zeta:
Again where is the evidence that the Aliens knew english because all the dialogue we hear from them via chatting to each other, during combat or in the interogation tapes is incoherent babble - now if they knew English and were truely looking for the codes why would they capture a SAMURI WARRIOR from <1300, a little girl and various other wastelanders after the War?
Doesn't make sense - it just so happens on official crapped himself enough that he began plurting out sensitive details that the Aliens couldn't use anyway. Not to mention the tape with the Official speaking doesn't even say the codes.

The Ailens aim was to turn all the humans into hybrids - also knows as http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Abomination. Why else would they be chopping up some of the prisoners during the tapes.

You're not really thinking into it if you're saying that giving specifics like the commander does are just guesses of what's being asked for or a coincidence (that, or who ever wrote that [censored] was drunk or really, really stupid) - more so with the last part of clearly insisting on codes which the commander is reluctant of giving away. It's not hard to see the implication there, and what have happened before (the samurai) have no effect on what happens there.

It's nothing more than a coincidence, the natural response almost for someone who is involved in fighting a war. Look at the other soldier (medic) that was captured, all he kept doing was repeating his name throughout, bar a poin were he snapped. The commander was operating on the field with the knowledge of the codes and all of a sudden he is abducted - he has every reason to believe he is being interrogated in order to get those codes. He clearly wouldn't be in his right mind at the time, nor would anyone.
No implication, just a careless commander.
The samurai shows that the aliens aren't there to destroy the Earth since they could have done that in the samurai's time when humans were more primative instead of waiting several hundred years to get some codes.
Aliens aim - create human/alien hybrids. Not acquire nuclear launch codes.

Eh... if you say so...

Prove me wrong.
As far as I'm concerned I've used enough evidence to show its coincidence while you've just sat there going "nope, nu huh! I don't like" Like a little child, actually stand up for your point of view.

I've done this enough times to know you aren't going to budge (like noone in your position has). You are making up things about the guy being stupid or panicing with nothing to imply such. It's nonsensical that the guy, in his position, gives such intel away without knowing what he's being asked for and why, and then, apparently, debating with himself over giving up the launch codes. If you can't see the senslessness in that, I can't help you.

I've done what enough time - I've only defended this point once before so I don't get where you're getting the "enough times" from.
I'm making nothing about him up, alright I assumed he was stupid then I corrected it and described his situation and why he may have thought thats what they were after. Are you telling me if YOU were in a war zone on the frontlines with such intel in your head, and then suddenly abducted and interrogated, you wouldn't think they were after intel on your army? He's debating with himself because he is panicing and trying to save his own skin, hoping the exchange of information will do that.
If this magic (babble) (babble) means something I'm not getting, please, let me know...
Do the aliens have magic machines for mind control? I'd doubt that seriously if they couldn't stop me or the other hostages.
Where is your logic in the situation?

I really think that anyone who tries to disect the aliens "motivations" is fighting a lose-lose battle. Yes, if they wanted to destroy humanity why would they have been around since the times of the Oda Samuria, on the other hand I find it hard to believe that in having been over the Earth for 700 years that they're objectives would have remained the same Papa.

Even though they don't speak English they are clearly asking the guy questions telepathically. I do think that it's supposed to be hinting at the Aliens having something to do with the war personally, or at least that was the implication.

But seriously, don't even try to think about it. 700 years, imagine getting the crew of a ship to basically however in place over the planet just to pluck random people up and record them. It's suggesting that this ship has been in use for 700 years, that the crew has basically lived there for that long; look at 700 years of human history people, a lot of [censored] tends to change.

As a DLC it was written for lulz and nothing more, Samurai are cool let's put one in; true motivations for the aliens were never created and debating them is pointless. Trying to examine the motivations of a race who have spent 700 years doing the same thing is impossible without further incite into their
world and culture, which we will never have.

EDIT: My only solution is that they have time travel... yeah.