What is Lorkhan doing? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:17 am

True, but Tiber seems happy just chilling. He never actually had a face to face (To face to Face to Face to... Nevermind) with vivec.

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:22 pm

Another one of my guesses would be that vivec is a giant monkey that become an apple.

Back to the topic: I have the feeling that somehow lorkhan will return, Perhaps with the dwemers? Seriously who knows.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:40 am

he.. he quited on the job and is now looking for another job.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:56 pm

he.. he quited on the job and is now looking for another job.

I think "permanently retired" is a more suitable way to say it.

And we're all living off his pension.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:14 am

he.. he quited on the job and is now looking for another job.

Perhaps an professional apple grower, That'd be awesome

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:32 pm

Just a bunch of damned moochers arnt we. Breathing up all his reality and some such like it grows on trees!

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:12 am

Just a bunch of damned moochers arnt we. Breathing up all his reality and some such like it grows on trees!

Hmm. Smells lovely in your tower.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:34 am

If two people have CHIM, then two gods of all things exist. But everyone is everyone thanks to the dreamsleave. Half the battle to gaining chim is realizing this, yet still being yourself. Thus everyone has CHIM, yet no one has it.
That and they would get in a fight that ends reality.

Always with the fighting...

And it has little to do with being a god.

» Thu May 26, 2011 7:21 pm

Do you really think two infinitly intellegent beings would like eachother? If there is one thing everyone hates its a smart ass, and when you can change reality to fit your opinion 100% of the time....

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:35 pm

I believe you've all got your questions answered well over amiably by MK. Now then, off with you! Off with you!

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:12 am

Do you really think two infinitly intellegent beings would like eachother? If there is one thing everyone hates its a smart ass, and when you can change reality to fit your opinion 100% of the time....

It's not called the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#35 for nothing.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:46 am

Indeed. Especially when vivec wrote them. Because vivec would never do anything to annoy an all powerfull being who holds grudges. Right?

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:50 am

Fine. Brickwall, be that way

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:06 am

Nope. Not at all. I figure CHIM is basically like becoming a god in our world's standards. That is to say, omnipresent, omnipotent, able to creation and change, unlike the Aedra who can only make, and the Daedra who can only change what's already there, etc...

But I thought Vivec had Chim, wouldn't that make him omnipotent?

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:02 am

But I thought Vivec had Chim, wouldn't that make him omnipotent?

Why would it make him omnipotent?

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:36 am

Fine. Brickwall, be that way

You have yet to show me anything that would convince me two CHIM individuals could meet without destroying eachother, or swapping bodies so quickly that they destroy themselves anyway.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:51 am

You have yet to show me anything that would convince me two CHIM individuals could meet without destroying eachother, or swapping bodies so quickly that they destroy themselves anyway.

Can someone play puppet theatre? Wait, that's not Kim.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:43 am

You have yet to show me anything that would convince me two CHIM individuals could meet without destroying eachother, or swapping bodies so quickly that they destroy themselves anyway.

Its like MPD. They can be the same person, but also not.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:02 am

It's not called the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#35 for nothing.

Pfff, that's just bs propaganda. Don't be a sheep. Question everything and fight the good fight.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:12 am

I repeat again, Tiber Septim had CHIM (according to the Commentaries. CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled. ), and Vivec has CHIM, and they have met one another (although Tiber may not have has CHIM at the time, maybe not Vivec either, and thus I could be making a moot point).

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:36 pm

I repeat again, Tiber Septim had CHIM (according to the Commentaries. CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled. ), and Vivec has CHIM, and they have met one another (although Tiber may not have has CHIM at the time, maybe not Vivec either, and thus I could be making a moot point).

I'm not sure if The Many Headed Talos is good evidence that Tiber Septim had chim. After all, it was only written to (poorly) justify the lack of jungles in Oblivion.

» Thu May 26, 2011 8:40 pm

I'm not sure if The Many Headed Talos is good evidence that Tiber Septim had chim. After all, it was only written to (poorly) justify the lack of jungles in Oblivion.

Actually, he was quoting the http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/mythic_dawn_commentaries.shtml#3....not The Many-Headed Talos.

CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled.

The Commentaries preclude The Many-Headed Talos, not to mention they're actually in the game, so there's definately precedence for believing that Tiber Septim had CHIM even if you don't take Many-Headed Talos as canon.

» Thu May 26, 2011 7:15 pm

From http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml:

What is the Tower's secret?

How to permanently exist beyond duplexity, antithesis, or trouble. This is not an easy concept, I know. Imagine being able to feel with all of your senses the relentless alien terror that is God and your place in it, which is everywhere and therefore nowhere, and realizing that it means the total dissolution of your individuality into boundless being. Imagine that and then still being able to say "I". The "I" is the Tower.

Compare this to Zero-Sum, the state that Moth priests seek, in which they achieve profound enlightenment -- and then dissolve into nothing. CHIM is achieving such a profound insight into the nature of things, and still possessing an individual identity.

So, yes, if it is possible to achieve CHIM, then two individuals can achieve CHIM, and still be distinct individuals. That's much of the point, really.

» Thu May 26, 2011 8:00 pm

I repeat again, Tiber Septim had CHIM (according to the Commentaries. CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled. ), and Vivec has CHIM, and they have met one another (although Tiber may not have has CHIM at the time, maybe not Vivec either, and thus I could be making a moot point).

He actually didn't.

You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.

So apparently, they are equal but different accomplishments. But, I suppose I could be wrong seeing as this isn't really cannon.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:57 am

Forgive my ignorance. CHIM?