I have been seeing people talking about something or someone or something called Mundus, and I was wondering what it is. Is it a book or something? An Elder Scroll? It has something to do with history and the future of events that are to come, being unpredictable or something?

Sorry, I just dont know what it is, however, it interests me, if it alters predictable history.

Mundus is the physical realm in which Tamriel exists. Nirn is a broader location encompassing the Mundus and the metaphysical. AFAIK.

It's Lorkhan's Daedric Plane, at the center of Oblivion.

Bah, you believe that? I thought it was generally accepted that Mankar is insane and has no idea what he's talking about.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mundus

But before the creation of Nirn, how would Lorkhan be any different from the rest of the et'Ada?

Is it? I remember reading someone's article on it, and some lore references. I seem to remember Mundus being the plane of existence in which the world of Nirn (Tamriel, Akavir and the other continents) as well as the celestial/heavenly bodies, such as the moons, the sun, and the Aedric "worlds". I'm not sure if Mundus includes Oblivion, but it's at least adjacent to it, I think. I also remember Mundus as being Latin for "universe" or something similiar, which may mean that Mundus is, obviously, the entirety of the Elder Scrolls universe, and contains everything within it. Don't take my word for it, though, I've gone off on a rant again - I'd recommend listening to the more knowledgable lore freaks or having a look at the UESP or Imperial Library websites. Some of the in-game literature, particularly in MW and Ob, I would recommend.

But Lorkhan not only took part in the Convention, he was the one who instigated the idea. Further, his heart is the Heart of the World, which was given/taken by/from him. Whereas the definition of Daedra is that they shied away from the Convention, and they cut nothing off from themselves to contribute to the world's stability. Lorkhan differs in both parts. How, then, can he be classified as a Daedra?

Mundus = Nirn. 'Nuff said. Mundus doesn't equal Oblivion because Oblivion is Oblivion. Mundus doesn't equal the Aedric planets because they are the Aedric planets.

To be honest, I think you just confused the Aurbis with Mundus, which encompasses everything you said.

Okay, now that we got that straight, Im even more confused! I dont know what et'Ada is, not Aurbis. Ugh... Do you guys get these stories/terms mostly from Morrowind?

You just need to do some serious homework.

Here, http://http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=195079

Hope it helps

I appreciate the link but uhh... its not working for me.

one too many http's. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=195079 it is again.

ok thanks

They didn't take part of the convention because Akatosh was a crazy vivisectionist. They saw what happened to Lorkhan.

Sounds to me like Mankar Camoran confused the terms "Daedra" with "et'Ada".

You got it backwards. There are three dementions, layered like this,

Mundus - Oblivion - Aetherius

Nirn( the planet that has Tamriel) Daedric Realms The soul sleeve (the recycling center for souls)
The Aedric Planets An island thrown by Mehrunes Dagon into oblivion The root of all magic Masser and Secunda Gaiar Alata (associated with Dagon as well)
The chimera of loneliness or something (few lore refrences)


That's at least how I understand it.

That's because you're listening to Altmer. To them Aedra means "Our ancestors" and no self respecting Mer would claim to have Lorkhan as their ancestor. To man on the otherhand, Aedra and Daedra is closer to self-sacrificing gods and selfish-demons.

And man's version is the most correct. The dunmer also have a different view of the daedra too, pretty manish. Stupid altmer.


I'd say not quite.

I figure it to be Mundus is mortal universe and things associated with it. It's center plane(t) is Nirn, with the aedric plane(t)s and Shor's holy flesh orbiting around. It's also in the center of the universe.
Then you have Oblivion. Inside Oblivion, you have the 16 princes orbiting around.
Last, there's the Aetherius, where the Magna-Ge reside; those who fled and created the holes in the sky known as the stars, with the biggest being Magnus' as the sun. Because of these holes, magic leaks from the Aetherius.

In short Mundus (aedric planes, Shor's flesh (the moons) and Nirn)-->Oblivion (the 16 realms/princes)-->Aetherius.

The dreamsleeve is the place where mortal souls go when they die to be wiped clean, and begin completely anew. In contrast, the daedra also sorta go through the same thing, except they're completely aware of what's going on, and they don't have the memory wipe. They can also come back when their lord picks them out, or they swim fast enough. Mortals have a lottery system.

That's what I meant. Lorkhan might have been responsible for Nirn's creation (Or something, metaphysics confuse me greatly), but I'm sure he's neither Aedra or Daedra. Right?

It's Shor :stare:

False names aside, you are right, in that he is a Padomay aligned being, typical of the daedra. If you ask me though, I think the definition of daedra and aedra needs to be tweeked a bit. I'd say it's more accurate to label a being as being daedric if they stayed, but did not give up themselves for the creation of Mundus, with aedra being those who did give themselves to the creation of Mundus. It could be purely coincidental that the 8 divines and Earthbones were Anu aligned beings, and the daedra are Padomay aligned beings.

...Isn't that...the definition of Daedra and Aedra???

:huh:

If that's the case, Shor is an aedra. He did have a piece of him given up for Mundus. Yet, he is considered not, because he's Padomay aligned. I just removed the Padomay/Anu aligned requirement bit. It just doesn't sit well with those bits on.

Shor gave up ALL of himself for Mundus; if giving his Heart doesn't count as that, then I don't know what is. That could be said if you subscribe to the traditional view of Mundus or the Daedric realm version (though in that one, he was tricked).

True. Daedric view I find really wrong.