What pantheon is Lorhkan part of?

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:01 am

The Tribunal is way to young, the Imperial Pantheon doesn't seem the type (and why would they cast him in Red Mountain anyway?), and he doesn't seem to be a Daedra.
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Rudi Carter
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:42 pm

He is part of (most) all pantheons. Look http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml.

EDIT: I should probably add that he goes under a number of different names. Lorkhan is his Altmeri name, I think, and in Cyrodiil he is called "Shezarr", "Lorkhaj" by Khajiit, "Shor" by Nords and (perhaps?) "Sheor" by Bretons.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:54 am

According to Mankar Camoran, he's a daedra. I know that most people think that Camoran is lying, but I like to pretend he's telling the truth. It makes for a more dramatic twist.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:17 am

A Pantheon is a mortal invention.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:35 pm

A Pantheon is a mortal invention.

Invention that has effect on spiritual world. A really big effect, actually.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:28 pm

Invention that has effect on spiritual world. A really big effect, actually.


Not really. Most of the Aedra don't give a crap if they are worshipped or not. Due to the fact that they are dead. The Earth Bones are there no matter what, and the people of Mundus not believing in them anymore won't stop it. I can stop believing in the Theory of Gravitational Pull, but that doesn't mean that I will start floating. That is how the Aedra are like in NIRN.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:43 pm

Invention that has effect on spiritual world. A really big effect, actually.

Inventions don't have tangible effects, beliefs do. And in Nirn most beliefs aren't just invented.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:25 pm

Lorkhan is above pantheons; in some ways he's like one of the Titans from Greek mythology: an older god who gives birth to a pantheon, the Olympian gods in that case.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:48 am

Not really. Most of the Aedra don't give a crap if they are worshipped or not. Due to the fact that they are dead. The Earth Bones are there no matter what, and the people of Mundus not believing in them anymore won't stop it. I can stop believing in the Theory of Gravitational Pull, but that doesn't mean that I will start floating. That is how the Aedra are like in NIRN.


Actually they do give a crap, a huge crap.

Earth Bones =/= Aedra, that's the first thing.

Secondly, the Aedra are not dead...anymore and that is directly beacuse of mortal worship. All Et'ada other then the Manga-Ge rely heavily on mortal worship.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:24 pm

From http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml#Dragon_and_Missing:

The Missing God is always related to the Mortal Plane, and is a key figure in the Human/Aldmeri schism. The 'missing' refers to either his palpable absence from the pantheon (another mental distress that is interpreted a variety of ways), or the removal of his 'divine spark' by the other immortals. He is often called Lorkhan, and his epitaphs are many, equally damnable and devout.


Lorkhan is absent from every pantheon, but his absence, in a sense, is part of each pantheon. The critical thing about Lorkhan is that he's supposed to be there, but isn't.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:27 am

Lorkhan is absent from every pantheon, but his absence, in a sense, is part of each pantheon. The critical thing about Lorkhan is that he's supposed to be there, but isn't.


No, not really. He is in every pantheon except the Aldmeri, Breton and (though it is debatable) the Cyordillic one. Even the Dunmer hold reverence for him.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:03 pm

No, not really. He is in every pantheon except the Aldmeri, Breton and (though it is debatable) the Cyordillic one. Even the Dunmer hold reverence for him.


He's in the Aldmeri pantheon. He plays the part of the enemy, the trickster. So pretty much the same part that Satan plays in Christian mythology, or Loki plays in the Nordic pantheon. They accept, and venerate his existance as somthing to work against. Just like the House of Troubles in the Velothi pantheon. The only one I really don't see Lorkhan is the Breton pantheon, as he doesn't even play the part of the advisary there. Talos of course makes the Cyrodiilic pantheon debatable.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:29 pm

If you're talking about who's acknowledged as divine by which culture, then Lorkhan's a part of every pantheon. Just about every significant deity is acknowledged by every culture. I think pantheon, at least as used in that passage from The Monomyth, means more which deities are actively worshipped by the mainstream of the culture, which deities have temples built to them in the cities and so on.

My sense has always been that every mortal is somehow anxious, because they know Lorkhan's supposed to be at the center of everything, and yet he isn't; and that this is a major, if not always conscious, motivation for much of what happens in Tamriel.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:26 pm

According to Mankar Camoran, he's a daedra. I know that most people think that Camoran is lying, but I like to pretend he's telling the truth. It makes for a more dramatic twist.

He participated in creation though, which makes him an aedra, not a daedra.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:48 pm

He participated in creation though, which makes him an aedra, not a daedra.

He knows that, hence pretend in that sentance.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:38 am

The only one I really don't see Lorkhan is the Breton pantheon, as he doesn't even play the part of the advisary there. Talos of course makes the Cyrodiilic pantheon debatable.


The Bretons view Lorkhan in a manner similar to the Aldmeri descendants, due to the fact that they too are partly descended from Aldmer.

The Cyrodiilic pantheon's lack of a Lorkhan is because of the fact that the Cyrodiils adopted a hybrid religion based off of the one that their old Ayleid masters had and that of their Nordic allies that helped liberate them. Lorkhan was an enemy in the Ayleid religion, yet Shor was THE God in the Nordic pantheon. Big problem. So they simply lessened him, and he eventually became rather obscure. Along comes Talos, who neatly fills the hole.

Another case in point: Akatosh. He was Auri-El in the Ayleid religion, a dual-form Aldmeri/shining golden eagle (you can see the statues at some ayleid ruins). In the Cyrodiil pantheon, he's dual-form man/firey dragon because a bit of Ysmir, the Dragon of The North , was mixed in. Still a dual-form humanoid/mythic flying creature, still highly self-illuminated, but still markedly different.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:10 pm

Another case in point: Akatosh. He was Auri-El in the Ayleid religion, a dual-form Aldmeri/shining golden eagle (you can see the statues at some ayleid ruins). In the Cyrodiil pantheon, he's dual-form man/firey dragon because a bit of Ysmir, the Dragon of The North , was mixed in. Still a dual-form humanoid/mythic flying creature, still highly self-illuminated, but still markedly different.


Bird and serpent.

Or feathered serpent.

:shrug:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:51 am

I haven't played KON yet, though it dosent matter. Umaril and his Ayleids wanted to destroy one of the gods his people worshipped?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:47 pm

The Bretons view Lorkhan in a manner similar to the Aldmeri descendants, due to the fact that they too are partly descended from Aldmer.


Well, seeing as there was 0% mention of him in Daggerfall, it can only be assuemd that the Bretons don't acknowledge him at all.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:36 am

Don't the Breton's see Lorhkan as Sheor?

That's what Varieties of Faith says.

BRETONY: Akatosh, Magnus, Y'ffre, Dibella, Arkay, Zenithar, Mara, Stendarr, Kynareth, Julianos, Sheor, Phynaster
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:23 am

He wasn't created yet in Daggerfall (in an out-of-game-sense). Sheor is the Bad Man, so a reasonable anologue would be a satan-like figure who is acknowledged, but not worshipped or even an important figure in everyday life except in passing curse and invective at a failed crop.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:54 pm

The Tribunal is way to young, the Imperial Pantheon doesn't seem the type (and why would they cast him in Red Mountain anyway?), and he doesn't seem to be a Daedra.



All of 'em. ;)

He just has a lot of different names.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:07 am

Which mythologies do Noah, Deucalion and Utnapishtim belong to?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:24 pm

The split head.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:59 am

According to Mankar Camoran, he's a daedra. I know that most people think that Camoran is lying, but I like to pretend he's telling the truth. It makes for a more dramatic twist.



My understanding from one of MK's previous posts on here somewhere was that Lorkhan = Akatosh = Mehrunes Dagon.

3 parts of the same whole.
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