Is http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nulfaga a Breton? It doesn't specify on uesp wiki, but I'm assuming she's a Breton since she's the mother of Lysandus and the grandmother of Gothyrd, both of whom I'm also assuming are Bretons in High Rock.

Edited: I was under the impression that Nulfaga was a Redguard, but she may be Breton after all. Someone else will have to confirm.

wtf? I don't think she's black, dude. Come to think of it, I don't think there were any negros in TESII. Wait-- a couple of the NPCs in the taverns and shops were redguards.

Game data and program like Dagrep say Nulfaga is a Redguard. They also say The King of Worm is a Redguard (fat chance) and Night Mother as Khajiit, not to mention a handful of people that is mark as Redguard looks way too European-ish to fit the profile of Breton/Nord rather than a Redguard.

Oh that's right, I forgot about DFHack. I don't know Dagrep but I'll check it out.
I doubt following those programs is very legitimate as the 2-D images drawn by the developers are probably the most reliable. But then again, they're not all that accurate, as seen in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Morgiah drawing, she's a Dark Elf with lore correct eyes but lore-incorrect skin color. But wait, she's the daughter of Barenziah the elf and Symmachus. Wasn't Symmachus a Nord? So perhaps that's why her skin isn't gray, but kinda brownish. I can't remember seeing any drawings of Dark Elves in Daggerfall, and definitely not any cat people or lizard people. I think it was just Bretons, Imperials and Redguards.

As far as Nulfaga, I don't think there is any official source saying what she is, other than piecing together her herritage. So I'm just gonna go with Breton.

When he was contributing to Loranna's Lore RP around 2004-2005, the dev Ted Peterson seemed to write Nulfaga as a Redguard; at least, that's my memory of it. Maybe Nalion or one of the Imperial Library contributors can also confirm.

I would like some real confirmation as well on this issue, but for now, game data tell us Redguard and logic base on appearance tells us Breton.

As for Morgiah, that same goes with Prince/King Helseth. Barenziah was presented as fair skin with blue-eyes type of NPC in Daggerfall. Both given the "correct" make-over at Tribunal. Not to mention through the wonderful form of lore-breeding, Princess Morgiah was presented correctly as a Dunmer.

errr,care to rephrase that?

Nulfaga is Redguard (though probably at least part Breton). Barenziah, Symmachus, and their children are Dunmer. Half of Daggerfall took place in Hammerfell, so I'd think half the population are canonically Redguard.

You don't see too many Redguards as powerful witches.

Saban.

I said powerful.

But that still wouldn't make much since as all her relatives are white; her son, grandson.

And I just loaded the DFHack utility program and it says the Nulfaga is a Nord and Gothryd is a Dark Elf. :bonk:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9748/gothryd.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3185/73132410.jpg

It also says that King of Worms is a Nord and Princess Morgiah is a vampire. It even says that Daggerfall court and the people of Daggerfall are Dark Elves. So I think it's safe to say that the DFHack is not reliable.
I downloaded Dagrep from http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:Dagrep.zip but I can't get it to work at all and the readme doesn't help either. Any suggestions?

I think she's a Breton, as her children resemble Bretons, and the child of interracial marriages resemble the mother.

To be fair, Nulfaga is a pretty Nordic sounding name. Nords and Bretons are close, anyway. It's not like thier children would be deformed beasts, due to inter-breeding.

Man, we have Nord, Breton and Redguard going here. Maybe she's all three. lol

You know, we can't really rely on the artists' depictions in Daggerfall either - I'm not even talking about the miscolored Wayrest nobles, which I think was retconned. I believe it's mentioned in Tribunal or some other place that Barenziah and her children used cosmetics/magics to maintain a more human appearance that'd appeal to the indigenous Bretons. To make it more confusing though, we have Redguards in Daggerfall with olive skin tones (such as Lhotun) that would match with Nulfaga's sprite and Redguards with dark skin (such as the shopkeeper and innkeeper sprites).

I'm curious as to why they even have races defined for flat NPCs. Maybe there's some additional level of regional reputations that varies by race?

Did I? I've always thought Nulfaga, her son Lysandus, and her grandson Gothryd were all Bretons. Of course, Gothryd married Aubk-i, a Redguard, so their children were Redguards.

That must be a HELL OF A LOT OF make-up to cover up that blue.

Hammerfell is a big place, so not all Redguards are going to have the same amount of melanin.

Sorry for the misinterpretation, Ted. It's good to see your post.

Just because she's queen doesn't mean he's screwing her. Remember Lysandus and Medora? Gothryd is a young man, he can Henry VIII on us and go murdering wives.

These characters were created by Ted as far as I know, Shades.

No worries, Shaka. It may have been my mistake in the RP, but I certainly always meant for Nulfaga to be a Breton.



No, that's true, but in the 3rd edition of the Pocketguide, you'll notice that the name of Gothryd and Aubk-i's heir is Camaron, named after her father the Redguard King Camaron of Sentinel, who was killed the War of Betony. That's not proof positive of his actual or assumed ethnicity, but a pretty good clue.

It depends on how Redguard and Breton culture views race and heritage.

If Bretons think like the Jews, she'd be a half-Breton. If Bretons think like the Romans, she could be considered totally Breton or totally Redguard.