What race is the Dragonborn supposed to be in lore? : V - Skyrim

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:08 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Book_of_the_Dragonborn

As thanks for that, I have not read that yet that confirms my second assumption its a divine blessing by Akatosh.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:16 am

I imagine the Nords would like to think that only another Nord would be Dragonborn. Much like the Dunmer of Morrowind probably wanted to believe that only a true, native born Dunmer could be the Nerevarine. Niether nessesarily works out that way.

I recall reading somewhere that the souls of the mortal races are not themselves race specific. A soul of an Argonian could reincarnate into a Breton and then into a Nord, ect ect. So being born with the soul of a dragon probably would require some godly intervention, so I'm inclined to believe the whole Chosen of Akatosh thing

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:35 pm

As thanks for that, I have not read that yet that confirms my second assumption its a divine blessing by Akatosh.

Yep, but it disproves the heritage thing which was my point.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:43 pm

I imagine the Nords would like to think that only another Nord would be Dragonborn. Much like the Dunmer of Morrowind probably wanted to believe that only a true, native born Dunmer could be the Nerevarine. Niether nessesarily works out that way.

I recall reading somewhere that the souls of the mortal races are not themselves race specific. A soul of an Argonian could reincarnate into a Breton and then into a Nord, ect ect. So being born with the soul of a dragon probably would require some godly intervention, so I'm inclined to believe the whole Chosen of Akatosh thing :tongue:

Interesting... That explains a lot if it's true!

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:19 am

Orc, duh.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:18 am

Yep, but it disproves the heritage thing which was my point.

Thanks for clearing that up, I thought heritage might be a part of it. I have that book you linked in my game but I just have not read it yet, thanks for that.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:21 am

There is no canonical race for the hero in any of the main TES games.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:30 pm

Thanks for clearing that up, I thought heritage might be a part of it. I have that book you linked in my game but I just have not read it yet, thanks for that.

No problem. And the book itself specify that because all Septim Emperors happened to be Dragonborn(and that lasted 400 years) it is a common misunderstanding that it is carried through families.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:27 pm

but the septims have no living heirs so dovahkiin cant be a descendent of them

Part of the premise of Oblivion was that Emperor Uriel VII had produced the bastard Martin. It's easily possible there were bastards that even he didn't know about or the descendents of another Emperor's bastard. These kind of things happened quite frequently when it comes to monarchs.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:07 pm

No problem. And the book itself specify that because all Septim Emperors happened to be Dragonborn(and that lasted 400 years) it is a common misunderstanding that it is carried through families.

That is what I was thinking but I have never read that book before. The misconception is easy to fall unto what with the long bloodline of the Septim line and nothing was mentioned really about the nature if the dragonborn until that very book.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:00 pm

Plus there's probably at least one septim that was an dark elf... :laugh:

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:13 pm

That is what I was thinking but I have never read that book before. The misconception is easy to fall unto what with the long bloodline of the Septim line and nothing was mentioned really about the nature if the dragonborn until that very book.

Bethesda haven't really defined the Dragonborn before Skyrim, so nothing unexspected. I just hope people will stop talking about the "dragonborn families/bloodlines" soon.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:03 pm

Bethesda haven't really defined the Dragonborn before Skyrim, so nothing unexspected. I just hope people will stop talking about the "dragonborn families/bloodlines" soon.

I hope more comes to light regarding the nature of the dragonborn.

I might have to mention that book you linked if I see another one of these threads.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:35 pm

I hope more comes to light regarding the nature of the dragonborn.

I might have to mention that book you linked if I see another one of these threads. :smile:

Sounds like it could be a part of a DLC that continues the Main Quest, involving a excentric scholar and a secret plot against Akatosh

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:08 am

Some say that Tiber Septim is nord born in Atmora, some say he was just born somewhere in Tamriel and let's not even begin with how he became a god :smile:

All we know is, he's called The Stig.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:18 pm

Sounds like it could be a part of a DLC that continues the Main Quest, involving a excentric scholar and a secret plot against Akatosh

It could very well be.

I have not done the main quest yet but I am hoping for answers.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:52 pm

I'm pretty sure, that the human races; Nord, imperial, breton, and redguard all have the same origins, most likely Nord-origins, as the oldest human societies were Nords. In the same manner, the mer races, High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, orcs, and Snow elves have the same origins. That said, there is no rule about which race is Dragonborn, as it is a gift from the gods (or whatever), and therefore lore-wise the race is irrelevant. Just like the race was irrelevant in Morrowind, even though Dark Elf made the most sense then.

Anyway, I've played Nord, Breton, Dark Elf, and Khajiit... But I just don't feel the Dovahkin-vibe from my Dark Elf and Khajiit, for some reason...

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:33 pm

I'm pretty sure, that the human races; Nord, imperial, breton, and redguard all have the same origins, most likely Nord-origins, as the oldest human societies were Nords. In the same manner, the mer races, High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, orcs, and Snow elves have the same origins. That said, there is no rule about which race is Dragonborn, as it is a gift from the gods (or whatever), and therefore lore-wise the race is irrelevant. Just like the race was irrelevant in Morrowind, even though Dark Elf made the most sense then.

Anyway, I've played Nord, Breton, Dark Elf, and Khajiit... But I just don't feel the Dovahkin-vibe from my Dark Elf and Khajiit, for some reason...

Nord = Atmoran
Imperial = Atmoran & Nedic
Redguard = Yokudan
Breton = Aldmer & Nedic
Orsimer, Altmer, Dunmer, Bosmer and Khajiit(Azura got involved) = Aldmer
Argonian = The Hist.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:19 pm

I think there was a Dunmer empress/dragonborn.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:28 am

I think there was a Dunmer empress/dragonborn.

It was, but that has nothing to do with the character of Skyrim being Dragonborn.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:52 am

Wait, wait, wait... really? The Book of the Dragonborn gives specific evidence that it is not hereditary and that it may not even be something you are born with, but a blessing you get at some point during your life.

read it again,

It ends with saying that it is both (inherited and bestowed) and neither or something along those lines.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:02 pm

The Dragonborn is a Thalmor Altmer

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:37 pm

The Dragonborn is a Thalmor Altmer :smile:

That would be very very scary

Becomes a thane of all holds
Becomes the Grandmaster of several guilds
Kills a very very VERY important person for the empire
The list goes on if the Dragonborn is a thalmor agent everyone should just lay down and prepare to be unmade.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:12 pm

It was, but that has nothing to do with the character of Skyrim being Dragonborn.

It has to do with how any race can be Dragonborn, and how Tiber Septim's race doesn't really matter in terms of the line of emperors he started.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:46 am

The present Dragonborn is a descendant of the reincarnated Nerevarine, an outsider, finally :cool:

The force is strong in his family of one, and already his predecessors in lore had problems to die good...