What race is the Nerevarine?

Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:43 am

The problem is, is that Dunmer seems to be the only race that makes sense...why would Azura bring nerevar back as a nord, or a high elf, or worst of all, an argonian (and why would the dunmer follow an argonian?)

Well, lorewise, the Moon-and-Star ring grants its wearer supernatural powers of persuasion(and let's assume that extends far beyond the pitiful +5 to your personality), so it doesn't really make too much of a difference in the end.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:38 pm

Well, lorewise, the Moon-and-Star ring grants its wearer supernatural powers of persuasion(and let's assume that extends far beyond the pitiful +5 to your personality), so it doesn't really make too much of a difference in the end.

Yeah but its constant effect!
Also it looks cool.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:53 pm

Yep. The devs intended the Nerevarine to be the subject of the player's own creative imagination. Anything that is subsequently revealed to us in lore or through canonical references in game or otherwise generally deal with the solid rather than the abstract aspects of the character. If these abstract aspects were to come up in discussion of the Nerevarine, the devs would probably work through this existential plot mechanic either through flooding the universe with so much detail, such as contradicting myths (for example, certain Imperial sympathizers might believe that the Nerevarine was Imperial, while the xenophobic Ashlanders would believe that Nerevar was Dunmeri), or by completely depriving the stories of any detail (as indicated earlier by the convenient "statement redacted" and "illegible" or "record lost" devices).
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:43 am

The Nerevarine is a male Dunmer. But Bethesda knew it would be boring and restrict our freedom in the giant sandbox of Morrowind to have only a male Dunmer available to play as.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:35 am

The Nerevarine is a male Dunmer. But Bethesda knew it would be boring and restrict our freedom in the giant sandbox of Morrowind to have only a male Dunmer available to play as.

Even the dunmer hate dark elves who were not born of Morrowind.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:38 am

Even the dunmer hate dark elves who were not born of Morrowind.


Sure, but having a Dunmer foreigner might beat the hell out of having an Imperial or Nordic foreigner.

@Rattlesnake

The original Nerevarine was Chimer actually, and, as I previously stated, his race and class are all but left up to the imagination of the players.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:22 am

Sure, but having a Dunmer foreigner might beat the hell out of having an Imperial or Nordic foreigner.

But when the world is going to end, are you really going to be picky with your savior, especially when the prerequisites are kinda vague and requires the person to be NOT born in Morrowind?

The original Nerevarine was Chimer

FALSE! Nerevar was Chimer. After that, whomever reincarnates becomes the Nerevarine. Nerevar cannot be the Nerevarine, because he is Nerevar, not his own incarnate or of him when he already is himself and wasn't dead when he was alive.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:16 am

FALSE! Nerevar was Chimer. After that, whomever reincarnates becomes the Nerevarine. Nerevar cannot be the Nerevarine, because he is Nerevar, not his own incarnate or of him when he already is himself and wasn't dead when he was alive.


And the Nerevarine could be anyone, as long as they were born on a certain day to unknown parents. I'm not even sure I believe that the Nerevarine really is Indoril Nerevar reborn in a literal sense.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:35 am

But when the world is going to end, are you really going to be picky with your savior, especially when the prerequisites are kinda vague and requires the person to be NOT born in Morrowind?

Doesn't matter. It's an after-the-fact idealistic sympathizing group hypothetical theory. Myths brought about by a group that desperately wants what they say to be true.

FALSE! Nerevar was Chimer. After that, whomever reincarnates becomes the Nerevarine. Nerevar cannot be the Nerevarine, because he is Nerevar, not his own incarnate or of him when he already is himself and wasn't dead when he was alive.


WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH!!!!

Hold your horses there!!! I was thinking practically for once (rare occasion :P ), but fine, you caught me. That's what I meant anyway. Thank you for rectifying the situation.
Nerevar was Chimer, but then I suppose that totally destroys my comment towards Rattlesnake. Still, I stand by my older statement. The Nerevarine was the subject of the player's imagination.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:41 am

The Nerevarine is a [fragment lost] and [fragment lost] ancestry is [fragment lost].
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:02 am

Because in the Elder Scrolls lore Indoril Nerevar described as the leader of the Chimer (Altmer that travelled to Morrowind at ancient time), i think he's a Chimer. But if his skin changes like other of the Chimer, then he's a Dunmer. Or half Altmer half Dunmer. For the Nerevarine, because he is Nerevarine is the "reborn Nerevar" i think he's an Altmer or Dunmer.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:10 pm

A Chimer is a descendant of the Altmer from Summerset Isles that travel to Morrowind leaded by their king Indoril Nerevar. Practically Chimer is the same as Altmer but live int a different location
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:43 am

A Chimer is a descendant of the Altmer from Summerset Isles that travel to Morrowind leaded by their king Indoril Nerevar. Practically Chimer is the same as Altmer but live int a different location

No, that was Veloth who led the Chimer to Morrowind.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:57 am

Yeah, the Chimer and Altmer were pretty much the same, physiologically. Beliefs-wise, they're opposites, which is why the Chimer left with their prophet, Veloth, to Morrowind, while the altmer stayed in Summerset.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:43 am

Because in the Elder Scrolls lore Indoril Nerevar described as the leader of the Chimer (Altmer that travelled to Morrowind at ancient time), i think he's a Chimer. But if his skin changes like other of the Chimer, then he's a Dunmer. Or half Altmer half Dunmer. For the Nerevarine, because he is Nerevarine is the "reborn Nerevar" i think he's an Altmer or Dunmer.


Nerevar was Chimer his entire life. Azura doesn't curse the dunmer until the Tribunal murder Nerevar and steal Captain Planet's Lorkhan's POWER OF HEART. The nerevarine is whatever person Azura saw could fit her needs and be easily manipulated into doing what she wanted.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:48 am

His/her race is unknown, because in the game, the player can choose any race, and because Bethesda did not say what is the official Nerevarine's race, we can only have a opinion about Nerevarine's race. Same thing with his/her six, class, birthsign, name, etc. Though really, the evidence that he/she is Dunmer makes sense because the Dunmer would not follow (E.G.) an Argonian. And other reasons.

My Nerevarine is a Knight Nord.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:21 am

Personally, I have a difficult time partaking in Morrowind's MQ with a non-Dunmer - the only exception I would make would be Altmer, as they resemble Nerevar most in appearance.

That being said, the idea of a male Dunmer hero reincarnating as a female Argonian is silly. I play other races besides Dunmer in Morrowind, but I don't pursue the main quest with them.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:50 am

What do you mean? It's poetic justice that the savor (or destroyer) of Morrowind is an argonian!
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:25 pm

To be completely honest... I think Azura would enjoy seeing the Dunmer squeal under the mighty Argonian Nerevarine!
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:56 am

I love the idea of Nerevarine being a non-Dunmer, and I definitely think a Daedra Prince would as well. The whole concept of switching your ethnicity/class/gender during reincarnation is something I'm very fond of in fantasy settings, it opens up a rich vein of discourse on those subjects. The idea that Nerevarine must be a male Dunmer I find to be really offensive, just as a matter of the essentialism involved in thinking that only certain kinds of people can fill certain kinds of roles - sort of a "Jesus is white" thing. It's a recapitulation of the Dunmeri racism and xenophobia, and I say nuts to it! Let the Dunmer squirm with the forces of change at play, and long live gender-bending, race-mixing différance!

Nerevarine, s/he is a Mudcrab!
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:10 am

I too believe the Nerevarene is at least male.

I don't think he's a beast race.

Or orc, but thats almost a beast race.

Probably of Elven Descent (Elven- Altmer/Dunmer/and :D Bosmer(probably not bosmer))

My nerevarene has been many races, many times. But my first character, he was the Nerevarene.

He was a male Dunmer.

But he's off in Akavir now, doing his thing.

I hope he's okay :(
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:57 am

I don't believe the Nerevarine is required to be a particular gender or race. I believe the trials make it clear:

Seven trials: What he puts his hand to, that shall be done. What is left undone, that shall be done.


First Trial: On a certain day to uncertain parents Incarnate moon and star reborn.


Second Trial: Neither blight nor age can harm him. The Curse-of-Flesh before him flies.


Third Trial: In caverns dark Azura's eye sees And makes to shine the moon and star.


Fourth Trial: A stranger's voice unites the Houses.Three Halls call him Hortator.


Fifth Trial: A stranger's hand unites the Velothi. Four Tribes call him Nerevarine.


Sixth Trial: He honors blood of the tribe unmourned. He eats their sin, and is reborn.


Seventh Trial: His mercy frees the cursed false gods,Binds the broken, redeems the mad.


One Destiny: He speaks the law for Veloth's people. He speaks for their land, and names them great.


Whoever fulfills the seven trials is the Nerevarine. I also think that Vivec's backing makes a pretty big difference when it comes to accepting the Nerevarine as Hortator.

I already said this, but I don't believe that the Nerevarine is Indoril Nerevar reborn. I believe the Nerevarine Prophecy is itself a Xanatos Gambit on Azura's part to take down the Tribunal. It just so happens that Morrowind needs the Nerevarine to kill Dagoth Ur, and the Emperor (and Blades) saw the need to end Dagoth Ur before he could escape the Ghostfence. So your character in Morrowind is the culmination of both the Emperor's and Azura's Xanatos gambits, for related, but somewhat different, reasons.

What I mean is, any character you choose to play is the Nerevarine. I don't think any particular race or gender or birthsign or choice of Great House is better or more valid than any other, and I don't expect Bethesda to present a canonical Nerevarine any more than they'd present a canonical Blades agent, Eternal Champion, or Champion of Cyrodiil.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:04 pm

You have to stop to think, the Nerevarine prophecies may not even be true. Just because someone a long time ago said they where, doesn't mean mean they are.

Dagoth Ur was an evil killing machine that didn't care for the Dunmer at all, according to the Tribunal.

The prophecy could very well have been created by Azura and passed on to the emporer in an attempt to get someone easy to manipulate. The prophecies are also kept by Ashlander Wisewomen. Word of mouth isn't exactly the best form of keeping information.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:41 am

The Nerevarine is clearly adept at combat of some sort, to be able to defeat Dagoth Ur. But combat isn't the only way for someone to die. In Oblivion, we see that all it takes is a bite of an apple for anyone to die . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaP7UvOaM5E :P It's really easy to die in Oblivion. I'm just happy there are no cliff racers.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:16 pm

I love the idea of Nerevarine being a non-Dunmer, and I definitely think a Daedra Prince would as well. The whole concept of switching your ethnicity/class/gender during reincarnation is something I'm very fond of in fantasy settings, it opens up a rich vein of discourse on those subjects. The idea that Nerevarine must be a male Dunmer I find to be really offensive, just as a matter of the essentialism involved in thinking that only certain kinds of people can fill certain kinds of roles - sort of a "Jesus is white" thing. It's a recapitulation of the Dunmeri racism and xenophobia, and I say nuts to it! Let the Dunmer squirm with the forces of change at play, and long live gender-bending, race-mixing différance!

Nerevarine, s/he is a Mudcrab!

Well, I'm glad to see that someone just voiced my thoughts here.

And honestly, I played through the Main Quest with an Argonian simply because of how ridiculous the concept would be from the Dunmer point of view, and hoping to see it played out in-game. If the game took into account the whole racial aspect and modified the main quest accordingly, making it easier in some cases and harder in others - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Dratha - you'd potentially have a more difficult and possibly more interesting plotline to advance through, depending on the simple fact of what you were born as. It would likely help to clarify the whole "How could a[n] [insert species name here], of all things, possibly become the Nerevarine?" The Nerevarine is, in reality, a cipher - a blank template for ourselves to fill out, right down to the question of whether [s]he is really Nerevar reborn, or if it is all simply a false prophecy that fufilled itself by the manipulation of some random person by higher powers.
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