Should beth do shoot for this rating.

If beth is GOING for a kind or rating then we have bigger problems. Because rating is really something to be aware of not to strive for. Because a MSRB rating Is by no means a gauge or realism but on what generally offends people. Strive for the higher core of the game instead of targeting the audence based of content of your game.

Majority of Elder Scrolls fans are advlts or somewhat sophisticated teenagers. So targeting a game to the major age group that plays your games is what you should strive for. In the end the rating should be M

umm not anymore
the majority are teenagers looking for the violence, guns, and excessive gore we saw in Fallout 3
and that know nothing of TES

They aren't loyal fans though, after they finish the main quest they just trade in oblivion at gamestop for call of duty. Probably majority of the people that bought oblivion were past elder scrolls fans and the thirteen year olds added to the massive sales. In the end its probably the TES fans that give majority purchase, aLso Fallout 3 is not The Elder Scrolls so you can't compare the target audiences.

The underlying problem is that Bethesda makes the same sale regardless of whether they play it for 20 hours and trade it in for Call of Duty, or keep it as a guarded treasure for 30 years and play it every day. The only question from a financial perspective is whether the additional "attraction" of the M rating will offset the "penalty" of many young potential purchasers not being allowed to buy it, along with the few who refuse to buy it themselves for "moral" reasons. The issue from a player's perspective is whether the more "mature" content will actually be "mature" or used (and wasted) for "juvenile" depictions of six and violence.

I for one do NOT want exploding heads and flying body parts in TES V, like Bethesda tried to pass off as "realism" in FO3. If you shoot someone with a BB gun, they should NOT explode. If you hit someone's arm solidly with an axe, it may be sliced to the bone and useless, but should NOT fly off.

LOL

I got fallout a lil while ago and when i shot my first corpse with a bb gun i became so confused as to why that guys arm blew up in an explosion of blood....

I think if you have enough strength your blow would cut the arm off completely, just not send it flying into the air with a massive explosion of blood, there could be a little blood when you chop the limb off, but that was just stupid...

ah but you can because like i said, they probably know nothing of the series.
im sure somewhere theyll see "from the makers of fallout 3 and oblivion"...
dont even get me started on oblivion
as for the rating i agree with those saying the rating shouldnt be the issue
make a great game, take whatever rating ESRB finds appropriate

Actually, you're only half right.

The majority of TESV sales, if it is released in the current generation of consoles and PCs, will be to hardcoe fans. The reason Oblivion sold so well outside the core fanbase was simple enough: If it was for PCs and 360 only, then it only had about four "games" competing with it on it's generational level that you couldn't get on the PS2. Obviously, it was also a half-assed hardware practice game, but it was the closest to a real game out of the next-gen practice round.

When you mean half-assed hardware do you mean that what they did with the physics engine and such were a good idea, but in the end they rushed it thus making it very buggy and caused many problems and machines at the current time werent ready for it?

Sort of. Basically everything you said about good ideas and bad implementation, but my own theory is that releasing it before the hardware was really done or understood was intentional, so they could get a "live test" of the intended fallout 3 engine.

I think M would be best.

AO all the way. for it will always stay.

Im a teenager, I like FO3 (hate the bloody mess perk, and all the excessive gore), but I much prefer TES, so please don't make generalizations like that, most of my friends are WoW gamers or TES fans. We do like shooters, but prefer games where you think.

AO AO. ho ho AO all the way bro

When i say teenagers my definition is about 13-16 year olds, anything older i consider a advlt.

AO AO. ho ho AO all the way bro

You do know that there are teenagers that play this game right? Besides, the only way to get AO would be to make the game into a form of pormography or to make countless gallons of blood ooze out of every itty bitty scratch and have the option to torture your enemies for hours on end.

They shouldn't aim for any rating. They should just make the game however they feel like making it and see how it turns out. If the rating is AO though, well they really need to cut out some of that content. Or a lot of it actually. I would prefer Bethesda to just make the game and see what rating it gets. With Morrowind, chances are if they were aiming for a T-Rating we would lack a lot of what it had since that could push the game's rating up.

so am i?
that wasn't meant to be offensive

edit- and if you're a fan then you don't fall under the "know nothing of TES" group do you?

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M - They should have prosttutes, so you can have six, but the screen should go black for a few seconds, then its over. It'd make it more realistic, and have more realistic blood. Not 1,000 gallons after every hit or 1 oz after every hit, but a realistic amount.

That's exactly what I don't want.

This is not Fable and look how that game turned out

Fable was a great game. Fable 2 was a great disappointment, however. Both had the same six system (I think. Never actually got it to work in Fable 2) Either way, it should be handled maturely, or not at all. Bethesda should do whatever it needs to do to make the atmosphere and style of the game whatever they want it to be and let the ESRB sort it out. It's only a recommendation yet everyone acts like the rating is law... :shakehead:

W/E they do, it should be mature...