Want triple X, there are mods...however if you really need nudity in a VIDEO GAME, should you even be playing?

All in the handling. You can have all those things and be mature, or you can have those things and way more and yet still have the emotional maturity of an angry for year old. Handling. See, Morrowind had way more mature, dark themse than Oblivion, but was rated T because it had less blood and it didn't have a topless mesh buried deep in the code like Oblivion did. So you can be a mature game and rated T, or even E if you're really good at writing.

and back in like the 1800-1700's kids where allowed to watch public beheadings and whatnot and still they grew up into hardworking people.

so if the kids back then could manage stuff like that i dont see why kids can handle things today.

but as long as Beth dont do some disneyland theme park fantasy world again (Oblivion) and just basicly redo Daggerfall maturity in TES 5 im fine.

Well, back then a girl of 14 or so being married to a forty year old was so common place and legal that it generally didn't even raise eyebrows. . . yet being openly gay could get you jailed or worse.

Alot of this stuff is arbitrary. . . its about social paradigms, and social propaganda. Lies become the truth, if the right sources praise or scandalize something, it becomes worthy of praise or scandal. .. and if an argument comes close to being one sided. . . the side putting up all the fight wins. It is ridiculous that something as ridiculous as bare buttocks can cause a scandal and earn an M or worse. . . but gruesome beheadings and impaled corpses. . . neh. . . no big deal. Someone in a differernt thread said that towing political line in a video game was silly or not the place. Yet I wholly disagree. When people start infringing on varied liberties with irrational, half-rationa or arbitrary ideologies and propaganda. . . it is important to make your counter statement, loudly and clearly, and to stick to it. Huge political battles have started over song lyrics, film content, magazine content and other aspects of the arts. . . the artists and industries that appeased lost more than they could have imagined possible. Yet those who fought every battle like their lives depended on it, they often got to retain that which they desired to keep, and sometimes amassed even more. So yes, the rating system is often stupid. . . it will remain stupid as long as a majority of designers and players cater to that rating system, as opposed to reviling it publicly and raising hell.

M is fine for the Elder Scrolls. MA (AO) suits a game like Fallout but unless Bethesda deliberately wants to go in an order-the-top Dragon Age: Origins style they should stick with M.

I was half joking taking about the sad people, I can understand people saying I'm over generalizing, which may be true, but I'm definately chalking that opinion up to the sad and pathetic if if fun, six and nudity are synonimous for you. I understand if you want nudity for realism, kind of, but thats silly.

LOL. Well, if everyone who for whom six is one of the aspects of life synonymous with fun is sad and pathetic. . . Man. . . the world is like 99.99979739% sad and pathetic people. And I am not ashamed to be one. Viva Sanguine!!! Huzzah! lol And juuuust incase you are wondering, yes I do have six and even kids to show for it in real life. lol Cause that is always the one the cyber abstinence missionairies hit people with after a statement supporting sixuality in games is made.

hahahaha all I'm saying is Oblivion is fun withou nudity, if it was bad, nudity wouldn't make it fun.

Trust me I'm no missionary hahaha

Lol. Accusation tabled then. Lol. And I agree, Oblivion is fun without nudity, but it would be more realistic with it, and in some ways more entertaining. Its like parties can be fun without drinks. . . but what a difference a little vodka and cranberry can make. lol.

And partial/tasteful nudity and sixuality. Nothing more graphic than what you get in DOA or, at most, God Of War/Conan. Both are M. The thing is, to have the amount of sixual innuendo and, in some texts, advocacy that Elder Scrolls has but have not the remotest amount of follow through. . . a world that seems obliviously celibate. . . how can such a world possible have a Daedric Deity like Sanguine prodding at it? A little more reality is all that is reasonably desired. And, really, a bare buttocks should NOT be a problem, ever. Teen rated games could feature them and it wouldnt really matter because everyone has one and everyone knows what they look like. On its face a buttocks only marginally more sixual than a mouth or hands. If a bare buttocks incites sixual thoughts . . . it is because the person/persons viewing the buttocks has a sixual predisposition.

The ESRB rating "M" has nothing to do with a participant's required intelligence level for an enjoyable experience. If you'll look at the ratings of movies, there is a similar system in place. 2001 A Space Odyssey is rated G for Christ's sake.

Since this thread's topic soley regards the 'rating' of the next TES game, discussion of said game's intellectual maturity (or lack thereof) is irrelevant.

Side note:

A number of people on this thread have said that six, nudity, and gore will do nothing to increase the immersion factor of the next TES game...

Obviously you know knothing of the middle ages.

Or sword and sorcery for that matter (after which the majority of fantasy scenarios were modeled).

The only instance in which it would fail to do so is if it where implemented in gratuitos/completely unrealistic amounts...

The climix of TES4 set TES5 up for a civil war of continental proportions- gore will be necessary to rightfully portray it.

Also, I have yet to see any real slums in TES. I've seen impoverished neighborhoods in Oblivion, but nothing realistic as far as prostitution, drunkards, gang violence, veneral disease, ect. I'm not complaining; TES4 was a wonderful game in my opinion- but lacking visceral (as opposed to intillectual) maturity.

Edit:

By that logic, would not the same apply to briasts? What sixual function do they fulfill?

Actually, it does. In so much as, they are asixual until the individual viewing them becomes sixual, or they become involved in a sixual act. They do not hold the same type of fascination for the average 2 year old that they do for the average 14 or 40 year old. Presented in a way that does not blatantly involve six or suggest it, these body parts only draw sixual attention from those already seeking some form of sixual interaction or gratifycation. In other words, the presence of a bare buttocks doing nothing imparticular cannot "corrupt" your teen. If he goes clambering after a game because it has butts and boobies, he is already "corrupt" and it was Mother Nature and her insidious hormones and biological indicators that did it, not other shameless video games.

Oblivion was a half assed M (on accident). Fallout 3 was M on purpose. How about TES V just be M on purpose, too?

Agreed.

I voted for M. As said before, the world will be more realistic. I want to see how my Khajiit rips enemy's throat with his sharp claws, and then see how he is bleeding... I'm just kidding.

I want an M rated game. Regarding sixual content, I'm not saying there should or shouldn't be any sixual content in the game but if Bethesda is going to do it, they should do it right. (Fallout 3 :wacko:) Violence? Yes, I love that part about video games and the fact it's not real! But honestly I think Bethesda is going to "wow" the fans regardless of the rating they get.

I can handle some if you think thats realistic or adds to the game, but if it becomes one of those games where the gimmick is every woman has giant [censored], then we have a problem in America

Mature, nothing like gallons of blood spraying out like a fountain when you scratch your knee or constant nudity/six, just the capability of decapitating someone when i swing my claymore at their neck, and maybe have some quests here and there in which a wife is angry at her husband for fooling around with other women, or vice versa.

EDIT: nevermind, missed a key word! ^_^

I'd like for them to shoot for an M rating, just because I think locational damage would be an awesome gameplay mechanic, and I don't think the ESRB are too fond of severed limbs in T games....

Without six, violence and gore, though, all the things listed on that quote could get by in a T rated game, I'm pretty sure.

I don't want Bethesda to aim for a specific rating, though, as that would imply either putting in content to raise the rating, or cutting it out to lower the rating. Aiming for a specific rating would imply something along the lines of making a war film, and not showing any blood so that it gets a PG 13 rating, or making a movie that could have gotten by just fine with a low rating, but you want to show that children aren't the target demographic so you throw in an arbitrary swear word somewhere so the rating board gives it a higher rating. This I don't want Bethesda to do. Bethesda should focus on providing the best experience possible, if mature content will add to the experience, then put it in, on the other hand, things like random gore just for the sake of having gore (as opposed to having gore because it would be realistic, or to enhance the feel of something.) isn't needed.

All that said, though, the Elder Scrolls game I want would be rated M, because I don't want Bethesda to sugarcoat it, and let's face it, the subject matter often portrayed in the Elder Scrolls series is not Saturday morning cartoon material. Bethesda should portray this material realistically. The key here is of course realistically, not all M rated games use their violence or sixual content to be more realistic, for some, they take it so far that it achieves the opposite effect, and just make the game amusing. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as for such games, ridiculous violence is often a major appeal, it's just not what I want for the Elder Scrolls.

That sounds just like my house growing up.


While your logic is absolutely flawless, I still have to go with my "don't shoot" idea. if you shoot for a rating, people expect particular things. And when people 'shoot" for a rating, it's usually for T, to get the largest audience. It's easy to get an M game, just put in lots of blood. So just make the best game you can for whatever ratingh, come hell or highway.

Teen games don't have enough to make a good role-playing game in my opinion, and no game gets AO anymore, nor should it. Mature is good

Although an M rated would be better i think beth will shoot for the e10 rating although the least they'll get is T. This is better for sails as they realized in morrowind advlts and babies could play it and they both liked it. I think if beth was smart they would aim for a T rating. Although I hope its M.

M rating for sure. AO is commercial suicide.

In TES V, I want to see prosttutes in poor cities, drunks, disease people, gangs, all of it...screw this E10+ rated crap, lets get to the real middle ages...