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Nice

Doesn't make it less of a plot hole. Also, why couldn't we use the Hair of Dibella (Paint brush responsible for the A Brush With Death quest was made out of Dibella's hair) for the Blood of the Divines quest?

That quest was already a plot hole. Why take the trouble to stop the leakage now?

Which quest? I don't think it was automatically a plot hole. (Well Blood of the Divines had a plot hole but it wasn't the actual plot hole) SI added in the Blood of the Daedra plothole. Besides, I would rather have the expansion not create in-game plot holes (Even if I do think the Main Quest stinks).

Because if you pluck out your hair, you're not going to draw any blood

From every other source on the subject except the name of the region from in the game, Sheogorath's realm is called the Madhouse. The implication that we draw from here is that his Principality is larger than what we see in the game. This is also good evidence for the Sheogorath was messing with the CoC theory because every other reliable source we have says one thing while the CoC's experience says another.

Debatable, personally, I think Dibella's hair should have worked fine but others might not. Blood of the Daedra does have a plothole because of the Daedric artifacts from SI though.



That or Bethesda changed butchered the lore, again.

I mean the fact that two of the Daedric Artifacts accepted by Martin were in fact not Daedric at all, and Talos isn't a darn Aedra.

The last can be explained by ES-type symbolism, but I don't give Oblivion the benefit of the doubt, especially given the prior example.

sheogorath is a modern nice jentlmen and would never do those things... acually hes evil

I like to think Sheogorath never really gave up his powers. Instead he brought in the CoC to the Shivering Isles and drove him insane enough to think that he had become a Daedra

False Lore does it in a more interesting way?

It does.

Which two artifacts? But yes, I agree on Talos. Just go back to Daggerfall's eight divines!

Volendrung and Spellbreaker. Both are dwemer made weapons and armor

Umbra as well, I believe.

I don't believe you could give Martin Umbra. You likely had to turn the sword in for the Masque of Clavicus Vile to count as having an artifact.

Umbra is also considered to have poor-luck with those who wield it, so I don't think he would want it anyways.

I just finished the SI main quest, and I'm more worried about what the CoC has unleashed than what he's become. As I understand it, the situation is something like this:

Jyggalag, as a conqueror of worlds, became a threat to the other Daedric Princes that they couldn't defeat by force. Instead, they found a way to drive him mad and imprisoned him in a realm of his own, which became the Shivering Isles to reflect his madness. At intervals, his sanity returned just long enough for him to reconquer his own world -- presumably just to make the punishment nastier. Then, after an unknown number of cycles, Jyggalag-as-Sheogorath used the creativity of madness to devise an escape that -- ironically -- he wouldn't have had the imagination to come up with as the Lord of Order. By convincing the CoC that he needed a champion to defend the SI from Order, he tricked the CoC into taking his own place in prison.

In a sense, "Sheogorath" was always a role rather than an entity, and now the CoC is playing that role (and may or may not "grow into" it). And regardless of what's going on in Nirn and the Shivering Isles, Jyggalag has escaped to get back into the conquering business.

(I'm largely assuming here that Jyggalag was telling the truth and Sheogorath shading things to varying degrees, but with Order being Order and Madness being Madness, that seems a plausible assumption.)

Just change the "conqueror of worlds" bit and change it to "he was cursed by the Creation of Mundus, something where true Order could never exist," and you're alright, IMO.

Where do we get this idea? 'Cause someone does explicitly say "the other Princes cursed Jyg".

@Ephemeron: Yeah, kinda. Just like how Halo 3 was a victory for the Flood. The best you can hope for is that Jyggalag establishes himself in Aetherius.

This is my idea:

I confess, I haven't played the Halo series, so

946000: Hmm. The "Interview with Two Denizens of the Shivering Isles" gives the impression that Bethesda want to retcon that myth out of the way, but that's an interesting way to reconcile it with SI. And it certainly seems appropriate for Sheogorath's origin to be connected to Lorkhan's "death" -- lose one kind of trickster, gain another.