What if Einstein somehow never made it over to the US - what if Germany or Russia had developed nuclear weapons first? Not that they could've gotten enough out in time to trash an entire country yet, but what if the War had never ended and several countries had the Bomb by 1960, could Fallout's world have become a reality?

minus the robots and stuff, of course.

Well if Einstien went somewhere else, not a lot (would be different) really.

The "father of the Bomb" was a guy called Oppenheimer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

But even he wasn't alone. The Manhattan project was a group effort:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

Even if America was Second to the Bomb, I don't think it would have changed much. They were Second to Space after all.


(edit: Argh, words disipearning on me)

I agree with agent c "Well if Einstien went somewhere else, not a lot really."

But I have some other thougts on it that I thought about putting out there.

Well the Fallout Universe is the 1950's culture all the way to 2077. The Nuclear bomb was "Invented" not sure that is the right word for it. It was an scientific eventability. Anyways the USA was the first to build the uranium bomb then the Plutonium bomb. First Nuclear bomb was tested July 16, 1945. Russia then had their first Nuclear bomb August 29, 1949. Japan had it's own Nuclear weapons programs during world war 2 they had two projects called " Ni-Go Project" and "F-Go Project." It is even rumored that the Japanese had made a nuclear bomb but was not able to use it before the Americans uses theirs. It is rumored that the japanese even tested it in an area that is now in North Korea, shortly after the war just to see if their bomb would have worked.

As for your question you really have to ask what if Germany had had the time to even make one. Germany was not able to make one they had no real idea of what they were doing. I don't think Einstien would have ever helped the Nazis being Jewish and all. Or would the Nazis want is help, I think he was number one on their kill list. America found out about the nazis plan to build an Nuclear bomb and so the allies bombed the crap out of the nazi research buildings and sabotaged their heavy water processing plants in Norway. So your question would have to be if the Nazis did not hate the jews. The answer would be they most likey would have never come to power. The nazis used the Jews very successfully as scapegoats for Germany's problems which helped the Nazis gain power. Therefore no world war 2.

As for Russia, they had been spying on America while they were working on their Nuclear bombs that is how they were able to build one just 4 years after america. It does not matter if Russia had built the bomb first because Nuclear bombs were very hard to build no one really knew what they were doing. America would have built their own no matter what even with out Einstein they would have made one. Don't forget about Robert Oppenheimer.
Einstein would not have helped the Russians for many of the reasons he would not haev helped the Nazis.

I don't really know why I am going on and on about all this. It is just Hypothetical question

If what I said about Japan was true and I believe it was then they would have used theirs on the American invasion fleet. Russia might have used theirs on Japan. Russia might have just made a peace deal with Japan. America might have just had to make a peace deal with Japan after their invasion gets wiped out.

So if Japan and Russia had got the bomb first. Russia would have taken Europe and Japan most of asia and the pacific. America would have retreated back to North America and become very isolationist to work on their bomb. It would be like the world of 1984. America with north and south america, Japan most of Asia and the Pacific/Australia. Russia Europe and Africa. Maybe Great Britain making there own deal with Russia. So after all this It is a maybe that would fallout be a reality most likely it would have been a 1984 would not a fallout world.

I know I am all over the place with this I do think it is an interesting question if america hand not build the bomb in time for ending the war with japan and Russia building on as well.

ah thanks, didn't know a lot of that.

I was under the impression that when the end of WW2 came and the US and Russian troops were 'Working together', a lot of secretive kidnapping of brilliant European Scientists took place. Mainly those from the V2 Rocket Program in the German Military.
Essentially I don't think Russia needed to spy on America for their Nuclear Arsenal, the theory behind splitting the Atom had probably leaked all over the best minds in physics.
But I suppose they probably stole a bit of information to speed up the process.

But it is a fascinating insight into how the modern world in America and Russia evolved through the use of Foreign Scientists, poor Europe.