What do you think would happen if someone calls the night mother to kill someone who is a member of the dark brotherhood? I mean, it could be possible because nobody knows that they are actually Assassins since e.g. Ungolim just walks around like a normal person. Do you think they would refuse to do it? Are they even allowed to refuse it? I mean, if someone performs the Night Mother Ritual its like a dark contract isnt it?

On the other hand, one of the rules of the DB is that they are not allowed to kill their brothers. But maybe its an exception like when you do the purification.

No exceptions, never kill a brother :stare:

It would most likely never happen. And im quite sure you will be an outcast once you kill youre own, unless you edit youre game.

The Night Mother would never accept a request to kill one of her dark children (Purification rituals notwithstanding).

If a request conflicts with a tenet, you tell em to sod off.

I actually don't see any problem in the Dark Brotherhood accepting a contract on a member.

They'd simply expel the member (maybe not tell him or her) and then kill the member and collect the soul.

Why would they have any problem what so ever with that?



Well I could think of several exceptions. And not just purification.

But if they dont do it, the one who called the Night Mother would probably realize that this person has to be a member of the DB since he is not assassinated. So he could tell it to guards and they could get information about the DB out of him by torturing him, so the whole DB would be in danger.

So the person who performed the ritual would have to be killed, right?

probably.

Because they don't like killing each other? Assassin's don't carry out contracts on each other. it'd weaken the Brotherhood quite badly: they aren't just disposable. Besides, there's the code of laws to think about.

Pretty true. I see any captain of the Imperial Legion saying: "I've a new plan to stop the Dark Brotherhood: let's request a commission from the Emperor, and hire them to kill their own 'till there's only one, then kill him!". DB gone. Easy job.

If you want a particular DB member dead just use a Frenzy spell on them, then lead them to the other DB members who will kill the frenzy Dark Brotherhood member.

How should they know who is a member of the DB?

Spies.

They hire the Morag Tong.

That's not what the OP is asking. That's a practical in game answer, whereas OP wants a lore based answer.

OT: I agree with everyone who said that the contract wouldn't be accepted by the Night Mother. If it was, she would lose two members. The one killed, and the killer expelled. I don't think she would allow that kind of loophole.

Yup. So you should ask the Morag Tong haha, they hate the DB anyways and I'm sure would love to do it.

Yeah, since the contract is formed through a prayer to the night mother, if an assassin has her favor, the prayer probably won't be answered. Simple as that.

I agree with Savlian. Besides, that happened in game NOT just the purification.

Why would they? They wouldn't know that who they asked to kill is a DB member. Unless DB sends rejection letters, they would have no idea what was wrong. They might even inform the member, and he would end up killing the requester instead. :shrug:

That's an interesting question. How would the DB handle a request against one of their own? Most likely they may send the unlucky DB member off on an assignment they know they won't survive. This way, the DB member dies and they don't have to violate a tenet.

That assumes they even get the request in the first place. Even if the Night Mother answers a person's prayer, she can probably choose whether or not to pass the request along to a Listener. (Or to wait and pass a request along--say, until the target is no longer a member of the Dark Brotherhood. Assuming she wants that person dead. If she doesn't, tough luck.) And she seems the choosy, biased type.

Basically, praying to the Night Mother in no way guarantees that the person you want dead will actually get the axe, and you'll probably never know why.

I think whoever prayed for the death of the member would get their throat slit. The Dark Brotherhood is not just a cult, it's also a business, and killing your operatives is just not good business.

I think assassins like killing. That's why they are assassins.

And I think they do carry out contracts on each other, as is seen in the questline.

I don't understand the problem with killing another DB member. A contract is a contract. Anything else is just weasely, in my opinion.

Look at the events of the questline. The Night Mother considers the request and if she thinks the DB is better served by accepting it, allowing a weak member to be replaced by a stronger one, then she'd accept it. If the target is someone she wants to keep, the request is rejected.

An interesting question is whether she feels obliged to wait until someone else makes the request. The purification of the Sanctuary didn't appear to need any outside trigger, but it's also not clear if this was passed down from the Night Mother, or decided by the Black Hand. Would an individual assassination require it? Are all the hits the player is asked to undertake initiated by the ritual, or are some (Permanent Retirement?) internal to the Brotherhood?

i'm pretty sure some hits like permanent retirement were internal to the brotherhood. who else would gain something except for the brotherhood when the contract was fullfilled.

Nah, my guess is that you pray to the Night Mother to get someone killed and she considers the request. but that some contracts can also be given by someone of the hand for his personal gain without him or her praying to the Night Mother. or they can come from the Night Mother without someone invoking the ritual. al for gain for the brotherhood like indeed eliminating weak links in the brotherhood to make room for stronger, better family members.

oh. I don't remember any contracts against each other except the purification, but you can't call that a contract. who started it actually ? The hand or the Mother?