What is The Dragon Break? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:05 pm

Again, that is why I put on my post I said "unless that got changed from some lore piece I am not aware of." I'm just going off of what happened in MW, and all we really know is that the heart could still just be sitting in the volcano

Highly doubt it. After Morrowind happened, it disappeared. It really doens't make much sense for it to reappear back there after the ending; Oblivion wouldn't have even happened.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:39 pm

Except that Akatosh is scaley, mean, and bullheaded---- and Falcor is soft and fuzzy, and somewhat likeable.

Akatosh: "Time flows THIS way damnit! OBEY!"

Others: "Why? Why cant it be this way?"

Akatosh: "BECAUSE I SAID SO!"

If it's Sheogorath on his back i'd imagine he'd as for time to flow up instead of to the right. Or in all directions....

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:30 pm

Anyway, I believe there's a connection between Jyg and Lorkhan. Like maybe Jyg is one of his pieces. Jyg is wondering the waters of Oblivion now. So...

So perhaps when Lorkhan' heart was ripped out, he actually became Jygallag. The loss of his heart (signifying his hopes, dreams, emotions, etc.) created an empty shell, and what was born was unquestioning order. The princes then knowing who he was, decided to curse him as Sheo to create a divine-amnesia to prevent his return. ? .

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:36 pm

So perhaps when Lorkhan' heart was ripped out, he actually became Jygallag. The loss of his heart (signifying his hopes, dreams, emotions, etc.) created an empty shell, and what was born was unquestioning order. The princes then knowing who he was, decided to curse him as Sheo to create a divine-amnesia to prevent his return. ? .

No. Lorkhan isn't Jyg. Jyg is a Anuic Daedra. Lorkhan is special, but he is the the most powerful Padomaic being. And he is not a Daedra. His heart was just his divine power. He has popped up quite a few times in Tamriel history. Examples include Pelinal Whitestrake, and Wulfarth, the Ash King. The Underking may very well be Lorkhan as well (or Zurin Arctus).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:16 pm

I always perceived Lorkhan as a giant scarab floating in space.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:07 pm

Personally, I'm just wondering what parts he's still missing.

He has:

His heart (after Morrowind)
His sphere (after KotN and SI)

So, all he's really missing is his body, and that's orbiting Nirn.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:10 pm

He has:

His heart (after Morrowind)
His sphere (after KotN and SI)

So, all he's really missing is his body, and that's orbiting Nirn.

Shouldn't there be a scavenger hunt for the rest of his internal organs? They're going to feel left out!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:43 pm

Shouldn't there be a scavenger hunt for the rest of his internal organs? They're going to feel left out!

They're all on the moon conveniently packaged in rotting god-flesh.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:25 pm

Read "Where Were You When The Dragon Broke?" (Balmora Mages guild bottom floor) it offers accounts on this from various figures including Mannimarco. Nice book, dosen't explain the Dragon break, but offers some cool lore about it.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:14 am

So perhaps when Lorkhan' heart was ripped out, he actually became Jygallag. The loss of his heart (signifying his hopes, dreams, emotions, etc.) created an empty shell, and what was born was unquestioning order. The princes then knowing who he was, decided to curse him as Sheo to create a divine-amnesia to prevent his return. ? .

That's kinda' what I was thinking. Which makes even more sense considering the myth-echoes chased by the PC in Oblivion. If you consider Knights of the Nine, then Shivering Isles, from the perspective of Lorkhan being both Jyg and Shezzar, then you have a PC who is an aspect of Lorkhan echoing the fate of Lorkhan through his actions.

And, no I wasn't saying Jyg is Lorkhan, but rather part of what's left of him. Right, you have, as Mort said, the moons, which would be his body. You have his spirit or essense constantly cycling through Nirn in the form of heroes. You have his heart, which the anchor of his divinity, inside Red Mountain (the greedy man hid under the mountain

so possibly the skeleton that Dagoth Ur was using was his as well) And then, you have his divinity, or part of it, funnelled into a Daedric prince of order. They're all pieces, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. So... yeah.