The title might be a little misleading,
Let me explain. Everywhere i look i see people complaining about that the imperial race is CE only while at first they were not even implemented into the game it was a 3 race per faction thing.
If i am correct the imperials in this age are outlawed for deadric worshipping and such, so they wouldnt even be lore friendly if they gave that race to everyone.
What are your opinions?

Here we go again.

Apparently playing Imperials makes you a super-powered Pay 2 Win character. Imagine Sauron in the LOTRO, only bigger and more awesome.

Quite what Imperials 'win' hasn't been made clear.

Also paying more and getting more is in some self-defined by the complainer way - 'not fair'.

Lore-wise - Imperials are renegades.

Basically this is all a clash between what some people define as 'fair' and the real world where Zenimax have spent $200, million delivering this great game and kind of want some of it back.

Me? I'm happy to pay more for access to the Imperial Digital Edition. I understand game companies exist to make profits.

I am not complaining i bought the CE myself but i just do not understand why people are complaining about it. While its not even promoted in the normal game.

I do not hink they were outlawed for daedra worship, if that would be he case then dunmers would be in trouble.
They are more scattered because of the daedra attacking their land. Tibers empire not started yet. And at this point the former empire is dissolved.

I do not think they spent 200 milion, but it is their total budget for this game, so sooner or later they will - it was information veeery long time ago and later it was a bit incorrectly falmed on Zenimax. $200 milion budget is just average and nothing impressive in my opinion but seems it made many people very excited.

The tricky part about Imperials is that it was surprise - and apparently MMO crowd hates surprises.

I know you're not complaining. Neither am I but you can read the other long threads about it and no doubt you'll soon be seeing the same opinions rehashed here.

My bottom line is Imperials have different, not better racial bonuses; there is no such thing as 'winning' in this MMO and that if some people have a horsie and some maps that others have to find or buy then so what. Zenimax have to recoup their investment, no-one has to buy the extra's if they don't want to and well - the world isn't fair and never has been when it comes to money. They could have come up with a whole lot worse options as anyone who has played Neverwinter, LOTRO etc etc will tell you.

I got this info from an Belgium employee at the first look convention in holland so dunno!

Pay normal game+same sub, can't play all races.

Pay more you get extra race, pay wall.

Dress it how you like, the fact is that you need to pay more if you want to play imperial, and before the game even launches it should never happen. Simple as that.

Using that logic, it should never happen that, when buying a car, i get the choice between buying a cheaper standard version and a more expensive version with more optional car equipment already included.

Because, i will need to pay the same monthly 'sub' for the gas to be able to drive it.

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Thats not even remotely close, basically in your logic, I'm paying for the SAME car, except mine doesn't have the driver chair, unless I pay more.

More like getting driver chair with or without leather...

Driver chair is not a luxury. You NEED it to be able to use the car effectively.

You DO NOT need the imperial race to be able to play TESO effectively. That's the difference.

Well this is where we differ.

Basically no one needs to have all races available, pick one at start and all the rest are locked, you don't NEED them do you?

You don't consider race content, fair enough, your opinion.

I do consider a race content, which is only unlocked with extra money.

I pay the box game and sub, basically everything, I want to play Imperial battlemage, oh wait no, pay more if you want that. Its basically the same as with f2p systems, where half the options are locked, only this is done on a smaller scale, with only 1 race, in a subscription based game, and people thing it's no big deal, again their/your opinion. Mine is that no content should be locked away before a game even launches.

The horse for example is a good point, yes I don't need the IMPERIAL horse to enjoy the full game, I can get a horse ingame, but if I want the imperial? I have to cash in extra, no way to get that ingame.

Roleplay-wise, all Imperial players have forsaken their leader, and have left for any of the three alliances to fight Molag Bal, in order to free Cyrodiil from Daedric influence.

So its lore-friendly to those with an imagination.

Wrong. I do consider imperial race content. Content of the imperial edition.

No you don't pay for everything. You pay for everything that is included in the product you are buying.

When you are paying for the standard edition, you get what is included in the standard edition.

When you are paying for the imperial edition, you get what is included in the imperial edition.

Those are two different product, with different price, and different content.

I'm pretty sure that there was a thread about this that has already been locked.

Go check it out, there is page upon page of people posting on that thread. Read through it and you'll get an idea on what the "fuzz" is...

Well, I have no problem with it at all. If you want to play an imperial you have to pay more. And it's purely a real world financial decision whether it 'should' happen. Just like it's our decision whether to pay for bonus content.

It should not be so, that's the point, it's a subscription based game, it should have everything available at start, not make extra content and lock it behind..."the only way to unlock is through cash".

And once again, if this was an expansion, everyone would be fine with it (except for a random guy, forgot his name atm), but it's day -1 dlc, it's not different products, it's the same product, with content removed for it to be sold for extra cash.

We have different understandings, so obviously I can never convince you otherwise, so I guess we can stop trying to convince each other , no point really.

EDIT: Also worth mentioning.

If they made standard edition with just 3 races, same price, imperial edition only imperial and basically make a version for every "race" pack, and for every zone again pay more if you want to access it, etc would that be ok?

To me, it's the same as LOTRO asking for payment everytime I want to access a new area, except the difference here is that I already payed the game box + sub, expecting to NOT have to deal with these micro transactions, I pay upfront, all the game is open, every option available, until a new expansion with more content comes which I will gladly pay for unlocking more options.

There is no 'should'. That's your word and your assumption. It applies only to you. I think there 'should' be different editions and there 'should' be different content.

Neither you nor I get to define anything.

The only 'should' that counts is Zenimax's regardless of what anyone feels they are 'entitled to'. Your box payment and your sub entitles you to precisely what you paid for. nothing more and nothing less.

Either buy or don't buy. If you don't buy the CE you have the standard game and all that it says you have purchased. You've gotten exactly what you 'should'.

Have you ever tried to convince a car salesman that the optional luxury leather chairs (and everything else) in the car you want should be provided to you for free, because you will have to pay monthly payments for gasoline to be able to use the car?

Subscrption has nothing to do with this. It's just a fee to be able to connect to the servers.

Imperials is the enemy, they shall be excommunicated from the land.

It's a subscription game that gives you access to everything you have paid for.

Again, it's not the same, you consider the race a luxuary optional, I consider it vital car seat, as much as the dunmer are the wheel, the argonians are the passenger seat, molag bal is the engine, they're all the same vital package to me.

EDIT: Also to be perfectly clear, I've already accepted this backstab, all I'm trying to get you all to see this is wrong move, it's a d1ck move by their marketing team and all I'm preaching here is to avoid this type of actions from happening in the future. Who's to say their marketing team doesn't wake up one day and says that half the game is now locked unless you buy the "daedra edition" which unlocks that half and also the ability to play for molag bal?

All I want is to prevent these type of dike moves from their marketing ever happen in a game I love.

ok, I wonder if Dark brotherhood is a free download, which unlock a new guild, thoughts?

Look, if its vital for you, then go and buy it.

If i considered champagne to be vital to me, i would not buy mineral water and then complain i did not get vital parts of my drinking regime for my money.