What's the Nerevarine Doing? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:11 pm

Haute is, of course, our resident Master of Ecstasy and Despair. As ever, I tip my hat to you, sir.

You're too kind, my good chum.

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:33 pm

He's right, except the part where he dies. Baron Munchausen can't die.

» Wed May 02, 2012 2:47 pm

The Nerevarine was certainly alive during the events of Oblivion but I think saying he was alive during the events of Skyrim is a bit of a stretch. Dark Elves begin to physically age at ~300 years, as evidenced by Barenziah in the Tribunal expansion pack for Morrowind. So even if the Nerevarine was still alive during the events of Skyrim, he would most likely be pretty worn, weak, and tired.

And all that's assuming the Nerevarine is a mer. I *think* a dark elf Nerevarine is canon, but from what I know of Bethesda, they try to avoid pinning down a "canon race" for the player as much as possible.

This raises a question; by virtue of corprus infection, the Nerevarine is presumably renderd beyond senescence. Does this agelessness persist after the roles of prophecy are fulfilled, or fade? Is it dependent on the internal-divine, or the radiant energies of the Heart? If the former, the Nerevarine could easily be alive during the events of Skyrim; if the latter, then probably not.

» Wed May 02, 2012 2:18 pm

This raises a question; by virtue of corprus infection, the Nerevarine is presumably renderd beyond senescence. Does this agelessness persist after the roles of prophecy are fulfilled, or fade? Is it dependent on the internal-divine, or the radiant energies of the Heart? If the former, the Nerevarine could easily be alive during the events of Skyrim; if the latter, then probably not.

Other than Hircine's gift of lycanthropy, there is really nothing to suggest that the effects of corprus ever fade after the events at Red Mountain. You certainly don't hear anything about corprus victims getting better in the games after Morrowind.

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:50 am

The heart is still out there,

WAITING

» Wed May 02, 2012 12:35 pm

The heart is still out there,

WAITING

The heart of Lorkhan does indeed still exist, per the Hermeus Mora deadric quest in Skyrim. And Lorkhan is called the god of trickery by elves. So if the Neravarine did not destroy the heart of Lorkhan?... What does this all mean?

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:43 pm

It was never really a question of the heart being destroyed (unless you just didn't listen to anyone or read the various texts provided) as much as freed from the enchantments placed on it by the Tonal Architects. If the Heart of Lorkhan had -actually- been destroyed, I think Nirn would have collapsed in on itself, or exploded, or maybe just sputtered and died, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/monomyth-altmeri-heart-world

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:34 am

I think the way Bethesda handled Morrowind post-Oblivion was really shoddy. You went through all the trouble, only to have everything blow up anyways... specifically the area you used to explore and do quests in. Suddenly you may very well have caused the destruction of Vvardenfell shortly after saving it from Dagoth Ur. So crazy.

And then the hero destined to restore Morrowind suddenly disappears in its greatest hour of need, it's just so crummy... Heres to at least Vivec coming back to help the Dunmer out, they really need a hero. But I have a feeling Nerevar and Vivec are both 'mysteriously' gone for good, never to return.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:35 pm

If you will remember though the words of azura in one of the quests in morrowind "No good deed goes unpunished outlander". For her to speak to you find the woman on the road from gnisis going north-west near a pond, she will ask you to find a ring in the pond. I see it as azura knowing what was comeing and you where her tool. She is after all the deadra of dusk and dawn.

» Wed May 02, 2012 12:25 pm

I think the way Bethesda handled Morrowind post-Oblivion was really shoddy. You went through all the trouble, only to have everything blow up anyways... specifically the area you used to explore and do quests in. Suddenly you may very well have caused the destruction of Vvardenfell shortly after saving it from Dagoth Ur. So crazy.

And then the hero destined to restore Morrowind suddenly disappears in its greatest hour of need, it's just so crummy... Heres to at least Vivec coming back to help the Dunmer out, they really need a hero. But I have a feeling Nerevar and Vivec are both 'mysteriously' gone for good, never to return.

It was planned from the start, I'm pretty sure.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:32 am

You think they had the Ministry of Truth crashing into Vivec City, thereby destroying Vvardenfell and decimating most of the province planned back in 2003? I doubt it...

If I were a tad more cynical I'd say it was a 'screw you' to all the people lamenting how great Morrowind was when compared to Oblivion. But as is, it's probably just something they did to help everyone 'move on' and not request any future games or expansion packs take place in Morrowind again, because Bethesda would rather visit new areas.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:49 pm

You think they had the Ministry of Truth crashing into Vivec City, thereby destroying Vvardenfell and decimating most of the province planned back in 2003? I doubt it...

Why did they have Vivec say "As long as you people love me this will stay up" and make it so that by the end pretty much everyone rational loses faith in the Tribunal Temple? Seems like foreshadowing to me.

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:27 am

Meh. I guess that depends on when that quote was written, did it come as a book pre-packaged in the release version of Morrowind? If so then I guess that it's possible. Even so, an asteroid falling out of the sky and 'plopping' onto Vivec's temple doesn't necessarily equate a massive, cataclysmic eruption either. The scale of the calamity, if the calamity was indeed pre-determined, could have been an open question until very recently.

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:49 pm

Meh. I guess that depends on when that quote was written, did it come as a book pre-packaged in the release version of Morrowind? If so then I guess that it's possible. Even so, an asteroid falling out of the sky and 'plopping' onto Vivec's temple doesn't necessarily equate a massive, cataclysmic eruption either. The scale of the calamity, if the calamity was indeed pre-determined, could have been an open question until very recently.

He warns about it in his 36 Lessons.

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:37 am

The Nerevarine was certainly alive during the events of Oblivion but I think saying he was alive during the events of Skyrim is a bit of a stretch. Dark Elves begin to physically age at ~300 years, as evidenced by Barenziah in the Tribunal expansion pack for Morrowind. So even if the Nerevarine was still alive during the events of Skyrim, he would most likely be pretty worn, weak, and tired.

"Neither blight nor age can harm him."

» Wed May 02, 2012 3:41 pm

"Neither blight nor age can harm him."

Does that hold true after you fulfill the prophecy? Are you really a fulfillment of the prophecy in the first place?

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:25 pm

You think they had the Ministry of Truth crashing into Vivec City, thereby destroying Vvardenfell and decimating most of the province planned back in 2003? I doubt it...

If I were a tad more cynical I'd say it was a 'screw you' to all the people lamenting how great Morrowind was when compared to Oblivion. But as is, it's probably just something they did to help everyone 'move on' and not request any future games or expansion packs take place in Morrowind again, because Bethesda would rather visit new areas.

IF -I- were more cynical i'd say it were maybe just a 'screw you' to a certain someone who designed the game/province who's insanely more popular than the current lead designer/developer, at least around these here parts (or maybe just my head).

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:40 pm

He warns about it in his 36 Lessons.

Yurp.

Also, remember, kiddies, Lie Rock didn't just fall. It if did, the worse would have happened is the Vehkcity Temple gets demolished and the rest of the Stupas get swamped by a big-ass tidal wave. No, the Ministry impacted with the full force a plummeting rock that size traveling at terminal velocity can achieve.

Frankly, it should have meant total extinction of all mundrial life.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:35 pm

Does that hold true after you fulfill the prophecy?

Yep, that immunity to regular diseases, and the blight, doesn't just go away. The Nerevarine is really just a normal looking corpus monster.

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:55 pm

Yep, that immunity to regular diseases, and the blight, doesn't just go away. The Nerevarine is really just a normal looking corpus monster.

Which raises the question "are the events after the nerevarine's infection accurate, or delusions born of corprus-madness?" Meh.

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:42 pm

Yurp.

Also, remember, kiddies, Lie Rock didn't just fall. It if did, the worse would have happened is the Vehkcity Temple gets demolished and the rest of the Stupas get swamped by a big-ass tidal wave. No, the Ministry impacted with the full force a plummeting rock that size traveling at terminal velocity can achieve.

Frankly, it should have meant total extinction of all mundrial life.

It was hollowed out. Could've been less deadly because of all the tunnels put into it.

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:15 pm

It was hollowed out. Could've been less deadly because of all the tunnels put into it.

I like to think that whatever was removed was used in some other construction project.

Then when Ingenium crapped out, those fragments got their ~~groove~~ velocity back too.

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:08 pm

Every time we lie, a space rock kills the Mundus where that lie is true.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:40 am

I like to think that whatever was removed was used in some other construction project.

Then when Ingenium crapped out, those fragments got their ~~groove~~ velocity back too.

Somewhere in Skyrim during Sun's Death, a rooftop in Riften suddenly collapses, killing seven men.

» Wed May 02, 2012 12:24 pm

Somewhere in Skyrim during Sun's Death, a rooftop in Riften suddenly and violently implodes, obliterating the structure and leveling the surrounding warehouses.

Fixed.