Thanks, got it.


I knew I should have said grappling/punching the second time, too. It doesn't really matter whether it's greek wrestling or kung-fu kicking, monkey-fighting is the mythic stand-in for truly elemental clashes of power.

I suppose there's actually an answer to this question. Aedra: limited. Daedra: potentially unlimited - except within the Mundus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision

Yeah tulkas lol'd the whole time. Morgoth does remind me of Alduin. Or no, morgoths first dragon. The big black one. Ancalagon? I think I butchered that. but then again dragons are different in Tes then in arda as far as their roots to the father deity.

Morgoth is similar to Alduin in that he invested most or all of his power into a physical form, making himself vulnerable to physical attacks. This is why even mortal heroes have been able to injure them on occasion. Also, they both got tossed out of Time, presumably to return at the end of days.

Daedra in their own respective realms are probably almighty, but on Nirn they are a lot weaker because of the Firmanent.
As for the Aedra I have no idea.

I'd imagine that the Aedra are subject to a Celestial Order type deal being that they are the Earthbones. Thus they are limited in the since that their being is the basis for the laws that govern Mundus. Acting outside their sphere of influence for an extended period of time, an Aedra would upset the order of the Cosmos. It all evens itself out with the Daedra, however, because of the limitation placed on them from the origin of their being outside of Mundus itself. It just appears that the Daedra are more powerful because they do not have to constantly support the existence of Mundus.

Yes, but Alduin can still erase everything by devouring the world and restart the kalpa. Even though the Dragonborn defeated him, he cannot "die" in that sense, only delayed.

Ehh. I still don't like the whole Kalpa theory. Is it canon yet? If so, I'll accept it, but consider it a blemish.

And the whole sausage twisting with Umbriel, I wonder if there's a certain Daedric Prince who watched that and is figuring out how to do it.

It's been around since Morrowind, at least. Both Paarthurnax and Argneir mention kalpas (the former by name).

There are no in game books on it though? Kirkbride made it up right? There's a lot of Kirkbride stuff that makes me sick. Like this [censored] with spaceships vehkship laserguns cyrus sload talos moon colonies. That's garbage and I hope BGS ignores it. Kalpa isnt that bad, and I could go with it, it just doesnt make sense on a divine scale. Does Alduin eat all the Aedra and Daedra, and Magna Ge and Aetherius? That's the only way it could really start over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpa_%28aeon%29

Paarth confirms you are in one Kalpa and stopping Alduin will delay the next one from being born. Personally I think Alduin would eat all, then eat himself and implode/explode in the progress restarting the entire process from the start.

I literally only came in to see how many posts before someone said "over 9000." Thank you for not disappointing me.

Probably, yes.

It seems likely that the amount of energy trapped in the Mundus is a significant percentage of the energy of the universe. At very least, we have reason to believe that Akatosh and Lorkhan were very large (largest?) sub-gradients of Anu and Padomay relative to the others, so the two of them alone are a significant portion of the universes' "stuff". Add the other seven, and you've got enough power to challenge the self-ness of the daedra, consume them, and move on to Magnus and his little pals. Once Alduin absorbs everything into his own self-ness, he becomes the singularity, the godhead, and the next kalpa can begin.

Why does it make you sick?
In my opinion it is a summum of fantasy. The language, the notions, it adds an entire layer of myth and depth.
Vehkships arent spacehips, as such, there is no 'space' in the Aurbis as there is here. The planets are gods.
They are constructs that allow you to traverse, and manipulate the mythic.

Anyway its all personal opinion and whatnot and certainly theres nothing against you not liking it, but Im curious as to why?

Michael's the only one who talks about it in public.

Direnni tower.

Which begs the question as to why Akatosh would give birth to Alduin in the first place. It would seem that Akatosh contradicts himself because he is the cause of the world's ending and it's salvation. Being that Akatosh is the god of time, it's easy to suppose he knew from the beginning that Alduin would devour the world. So why create the Dragonborn to begin with, if Akatosh created Alduin with the full knowledge that he would destroy the world?

Because it's not the right time, just yet. Alduin will return to eat the world someday but it is not this day.

Because Alduin was created with a very clear intent - not to "destroy" everything, but to essentially push the reset button and start a new kalpa, like restarting time and everything in between back to the first breaking of the Godhead. Very fitting for a creation of Time's manifestation.

Point one, incorrect usage of "begs the question". Begging the question is a logical fallacy, a form of circular reasoning in which an assumption is used as evidence in it's own support. It does not mean "begs that the question be asked". Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

Second, you have to understand the nature of Mundus and reality in TES. In the beginning, everything was one big glob of energy we call "the Godhead". The Godhead split into two globs, positive energy and negative, creative and destructive, order and chaos, which we called Anu and Padomay. The interaction between these two forces began to create swirls of mixed energy called "Et'Ada" the first of which were Akatosh and Lorkhan, but there were many others. When Lorkhan convinced the other Et'Ada to create Mundus, the nine that remained trapped there had to divide and recombine their energies into new forms in order to survive, a process with divided them into all the races of Nirn, including dragons.

Alduin "eating" the world is just a mechanism by which that energy, which was once one big "glob", can reform. Alduin and the Dragonborn are not so much "decisions" made by Akatosh so much as they are a physical representation of the Godhead attempting to stitch itself together.

Funny thing is, I know that being a Philo major. Old habits die hard.

I understand the creation of Mundus from the interation of Order and Chaos. Please elaborate more about Akatosh. Being the head of the pantheon, is he somehow closer to the godhead? Alduin causing a new Kalpa by devouring multiplicity, and the duality which gave rise to them, makes since. It's the Dragonborn which remains a mystery to me. Does not the Dragonborn prevent the regeneration of the oneness of the cosmos? So how is the Dragonborn a manifestation of the Godhead, if the Dragonborn preserves multiplicity?

Alduin at this moment in time has no wish to destroy the Kalpa, he didn't have that wish during the first dragonwars instead he ruled. What we see now is that Alduin is once again trying to re-create his kingdom and the supremacy of dragons over mortals. Seeing as Alduin is not fufilling his purpose for being, he has no reason to remain alive and Akatosh/Lorkhan/Auri-El have plenty of reasons to want him gone.

Only when Alduin would be needed to eat the Kalpa would there be no dragonborn to stop him. Perhaps other forces in Mundus could stop him, but that's an entirely different discussion.

Upon further rumination, it seems the Dragonborn, oddly enough, is more like a force sent by Lorkan than Akatosh considering the Dragonborn seems to preserve creation as it is.

Which isn't really against what Akatosh stands for either, it's somewhat against Auri-El but that is yet another aspect of the same god.