With recent events concerning patch 1.2, I think something important has been revealed.

There had been two rather harmless looking things involved, but combined it caused a disaster.

1. Patches sometimes break the program. This is not news to anyone who ever downloaded a new patch for Microsoft Windows. People find out about it, and delay getting the patch or undo it until the next fix. It's all good.

2. DRMs and DRM exploit removal are applied via patches. This requires that the customer be forced to apply a patch as soon as they load the game, or as soon as they get online. Further, the patch must be irreversible or it defeats the purpose of DRM. Makes sense, regardless of what you think of DRM.

But what happens when you have 1. and 2. at the same time?

You get a game that installs a patch that breaks the program, does it by force, and is irreversible from the user's end.

In short, patch bugs are now as impossible to avoid as DRM, because patches themselves are treated like DRM. It is now considered important that every Skyrim customer deliberately break his own game by downloading the patch 1.2, or disconnect from the internet all together. (In Steam it installs the patch automatically unless you play on offline mode).

Too bad, if a Skyrim customer wants to play a multiplayer game between Skyrim sessions.

Isn't DRM great?

What are you talking about? What did they do DRM-wise?

My game hasn't updated since 11.11. and i'm quite happy about it ^^

The use of DRM patches means they have now enforced mandatory patching and irreversible patching. You can't play Skyrim while connect to the internet without downloading 1.2. You are forced to do it. And once you downloaded 1.2 you CANNOT undo it like people use to be able to do, because it is used as DRM exploit protection. And all because Bethesda wants to make sure all DRM patches are permanent. The result is that ALL patches are permanent and irreversible.

In short, the Resist Bug is now treated the same way as DRM; a requirement to play.

It's a shame, my game was fine, after patch......destroyed

See, back in the old days of PC Oblivion, I would have just removed the patch and revert to the previous version. No one was forced to play a broken game.

Now? You are at the mercy of Bethesda. Bethesda can release patch 1.3 that cause your game to be completely unplayable, and you would not be able to do anything about it. You are not in control of your game's patch number any more; Bethesda will force a patch on you in any way they can, even if the game explodes in the process. This would not have mattered if we were free to revert to older versions of the game.

Wait so you can't use the "Do not automatically update this game?"

Nope. If you've not set Steam up for offline use, as soon as you log on the game will update and revert to default auto-updating in your settings.

It's like Groundhog Day. 'Cept not as funny.

Maybe they added DRM so people would be more likely to download patches. That way, Bethesda can get feedback on the right version of the game at all times.

Seems to be working for me.

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What issues does the 1.2 patch have?

Depends on your system. What are you playing Skyrim on?

On PC I have to turn Steam's internet off, or it would download the 1.2 as soon as I tried to play Skyrim. Console gamers might be slightly luckier that you have the option of refusing... Except, if you got 1.2 already you cannnot undo it. I know that recently the ability to revert to an older patch has been revoked on consoles, so if you have patch 1.2 you are stuck with it.

At least with PC we have alternate means of obtaining patch 1.1. Console players are lucked out in that those with 1.2 would have to live with it until Bethesda decided otherwise.


The major deal breaker is that all Resists (magic, elemental, disease, poison etc) are now turned off. For everyone. You can now burn a flame atronach to death, freeze an ice atronach solid, and give a werewolf vampirisim. None of the magic resistance work, innate, enchanted armour, blessing etc. And neither do immunities. Dragon breath now does full damage to anyone and everyone no matter what whey wear, what perks they have, what race they are and what blessings they got.

When you logged on to Steam, your game didn't patch?

You can use the "Do not automatically update this game". But you must have had the wisdom of foresight to check that option before the patch got downloaded on your computer.

You know, five years ago, people waited for game patches with high hopes... And with Bethesda, I thought I could still expect patches to be reasonable in 2011. Skyrim has taught me the better.

I hate you.

Instead of just keeping your awful attitude to yourself, you see someone else having an issue and decide to rub salt in the wound. Obviously, if he's complaining about 1.2 breaking the game and not being able to revert, he has already installed the update, and is now stuck with it.

Anyway, I bet you're one of the people who defends Bethesda for releasing a horribly buggy game and even MORE buggy updates.

Again, I hate you.

The problem is that I, and many others, actually did this. And both patches still downloaded, and when we back to settings, it was set back to auto-updating.

My game is patched but what I was asking was if the feature worked or not. I hope Bethesda fixes any issues with the game. I was just concerned if they were overriding Steam and forcing us to download the patch on PC.

Whoa, I can almost guarantee he did not mean it like that. Take a chill pill brah

:rofl: Everybody Q.Qed for a patch, now they gave one! :rofl: PROBLEM?! *trollfacepatch*

So, back to that issue, no, the feature isn't working. Your concerns are legitimate, because you cannot be online in Steam without it auto-updating and reverting your setting. So the option to turn off auto-updating for Skyrim is pointless.

edit: And kudos to you if you don't respond to Smashingzwan's post. If he wasn't joking, he definitely doesn't have a read on you.

I turned my auto update for skyrim option off and it downloaded it any way.

I guess what I want to say, is that really, it should not be a big deal that patch 1.2 is broken. It isn't unusual or unexpected for this to occur once in a while. I don't blame Bethesda for that.

The real enemy is the idea that patches are now sacred and cannot be changed by the user once it installed. This, is 100% the fault of the game industry. The idea that the game company can force on us what version of the game we are allowed to use.

Same for me, I think my major problem is the massive FPS drop off I have gotten with this new patch before was playing maxed out np now I cant walk 5 steps w/o massive FPS drop off. backwords flying dragons and the resists don't bother me as much as the FPS drop off.I hope they can get to the issue fast and fix it soon.

Lol, chill. I was asking if you were able to shut off the auto update feature on Steam and if it worked. I also asked what issues this patch has.