Seriously, at what point did PC gamers become stuck up self opinionated idiots who expect the world from a day 1 product... This entire forum section is filled with complaining and biching about a over all well done game, posts and whines from ungrateful idiots who seem to have forgotten exactly what PC gaming is supposed to be all about: Actual game play.

Calling a game a console port due to having a older version of Direct X, even though it A: Looks better then its DX10 predecessor and console versions, and B: Runs better and faster on PC's, is rather a lame argument. So what if Crytek actually hired some programmers who knew what the hell they were doing for once and made a game that don't need a computer built by NASA to run yet still looked and ran better then most other 'console' engines. DX11 isn't a big priority for them, not because PC gaming isn't a big priority, but because 94.4% of computer users don't have $4000 PC's filled to the brim with 20GB and 4 graphic cards that can take full of use of the overall, small increase in visuals (There are more people on DX8 and below then DX 11). The fact that the aforementioned $4000 PC isn't needed to run Crysis 2 isn't a sign of a console port, it's a sign of competent programmers. Anyone who's played CoD knows what a ported engine runs like... (Heck there are several PC engines that run worse then this)

And anti cheat doesn't work, the day someone makes a hack free FPS, will be the day the same company also cures world hunger and several kinds of cancer. Punkbuster doesn't work, VAC doesn't work, practically every anti-cheat system created doesn't work. It isn't that Crytek hates all Pc gamers, just on such a moddable system making something hack free is impossible (If the pentagon can't stop people looking at their secrets, what chance does a game company have again?). Yes a few of the exploits are a little laughable, but at the same time not uncommon. Even a year odd after it's release there was a certain console command in Left 4 Dead that allowed you to stop a versus game in its tracks without owning the server, and Valve are hardly a 'consolized' company.

And a side note to this, looking at a lot of the 'claims', 99% of the people you claim to be hacking, are just better then you. In practically every FPS these kinds of claims are flung around by little minded people who can't accept that someone might just have more skill then them.

As for the constant bug claims: PC development isn't easy, and a lot of network issues are the fault of the user. PC games will have, and always have had hardware related bugs, due to the fact there are so many variable to program for. Some are worse then others, but as games go the first week of Crysis 2 hasn't been bad (Had slight connection issues myself, and a weird shader issue where my screen occasionally goes black.)

This unneeded negativity over anything that seems even similar to the consoles is rather annoying, consolization in MOST cases is a good thing; like most people who aren't living with their parents, I rather like the ability to play new games without upgrading my computer every 3 months (AKA Crysis 1), and streamlining complex controls is hardly a bad thing (Just because something is harder, doesn't make it more skilled). The only issue that may arise is game play, which if people would stop frothing with rage for 5 seconds, would realize hasn't been. I couldn't really imagine using the entire nano-suit + additional movement techniques to the best ability on a controller, and rather then most consolized games where shooting in the general direction is a good tactic, here actual aiming is rewarded, with head shots doing far more damage, something I can't see people making full use of with a controller.

In summary, regardless of what you thought, this isn't anything new, even before the console era. PC's are hard to develop for and will have bugs due to their modability, anti-cheat systems don't work, and bears are on occasion known to **** in woods. Either stop playing the game and go back to whatever game you think does all these wondrous things from a day 1 release (And tell me what it is so I can play it), or just stop the constant self entitled whining.

Ranting over, before I make myself feel old by mentioning 'gamers these days' and how they need to spend more time off my lawn....

arguments filled with holes.

sorry bro, your wall of text is just a wall of fail.

Too long, skimmed through.
Pretty much agree with what you said.

Crysis was NEVER about gameplay, it has always been about amazing visuals. not to mention 100% of the people complaining about the game are complaining because they were LIED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! by crytek.

and NO the DX9 in crysis 2 does not look better than crysis 1. the lightning in the last one was much more realistic.

also you do not need a $4000 PC to run crysis 1 on max setting. you can build a PC under $1000 that will play crysis 1 on max settings at 1080p.

Brilliant thread, thank you for this.

Behind the issues that we're having is an excellent game that plays like an absolute dream, and what they've managed to get out of this on a medium spec machine is excellent.

Of course I won't lie, I'm as disappointed with the hacking and the state of multiplayer right now as anyone else, but if anything's going to be putting me off Crysis 2, it's going to be the state of the community. It's absolutely atrocious.

*day 11 product

who expect the world from a day 1 product

Usually we expect products to actually work on the first day.... You idiot.

Things work perfectly fine on the first day.

I've been able to play several games of multiplayer and i'm half way through the single player.

What doesn't work, exactly?

Crysis was NEVER about gameplay, it has always been about amazing visuals.

Seriously, at what point did PC gamers become stuck up self opinionated idiots who expect the world from a day 1 product... This entire forum section is filled with complaining and biching about a over all well done game, posts and whines from ungrateful idiots who seem to have forgotten exactly what PC gaming is supposed to be all about: Actual game play.

Calling a game a console port due to having a older version of Direct X, even though it A: Looks better then its DX10 predecessor and console versions, and B: Runs better and faster on PC's, is rather a lame argument. So what if Crytek actually hired some programmers who knew what the hell they were doing for once and made a game that don't need a computer built by NASA to run yet still looked and ran better then most other 'console' engines. DX11 isn't a big priority for them, not because PC gaming isn't a big priority, but because 94.4% of computer users don't have $4000 PC's filled to the brim with 20GB and 4 graphic cards that can take full of use of the overall, small increase in visuals (There are more people on DX8 and below then DX 11). The fact that the aforementioned $4000 PC isn't needed to run Crysis 2 isn't a sign of a console port, it's a sign of competent programmers. Anyone who's played CoD knows what a ported engine runs like... (Heck there are several PC engines that run worse then this)

And anti cheat doesn't work, the day someone makes a hack free FPS, will be the day the same company also cures world hunger and several kinds of cancer. Punkbuster doesn't work, VAC doesn't work, practically every anti-cheat system created doesn't work. It isn't that Crytek hates all Pc gamers, just on such a moddable system making something hack free is impossible (If the pentagon can't stop people looking at their secrets, what chance does a game company have again?). Yes a few of the exploits are a little laughable, but at the same time not uncommon. Even a year odd after it's release there was a certain console command in Left 4 Dead that allowed you to stop a versus game in its tracks without owning the server, and Valve are hardly a 'consolized' company.

And a side note to this, looking at a lot of the 'claims', 99% of the people you claim to be hacking, are just better then you. In practically every FPS these kinds of claims are flung around by little minded people who can't accept that someone might just have more skill then them.

As for the constant bug claims: PC development isn't easy, and a lot of network issues are the fault of the user. PC games will have, and always have had hardware related bugs, due to the fact there are so many variable to program for. Some are worse then others, but as games go the first week of Crysis 2 hasn't been bad (Had slight connection issues myself, and a weird shader issue where my screen occasionally goes black.)

This unneeded negativity over anything that seems even similar to the consoles is rather annoying, consolization in MOST cases is a good thing; like most people who aren't living with their parents, I rather like the ability to play new games without upgrading my computer every 3 months (AKA Crysis 1), and streamlining complex controls is hardly a bad thing (Just because something is harder, doesn't make it more skilled). The only issue that may arise is game play, which if people would stop frothing with rage for 5 seconds, would realize hasn't been. I couldn't really imagine using the entire nano-suit + additional movement techniques to the best ability on a controller, and rather then most consolized games where shooting in the general direction is a good tactic, here actual aiming is rewarded, with head shots doing far more damage, something I can't see people making full use of with a controller.

In summary, regardless of what you thought, this isn't anything new, even before the console era. PC's are hard to develop for and will have bugs due to their modability, anti-cheat systems don't work, and bears are on occasion known to **** in woods. Either stop playing the game and go back to whatever game you think does all these wondrous things from a day 1 release (And tell me what it is so I can play it), or just stop the constant self entitled whining.

Ranting over, before I make myself feel old by mentioning 'gamers these days' and how they need to spend more time off my lawn....


Don't have to have dx 11 to run the game but those of us who can would like the option to have it....Crysis has been known for setting the benchmark for most rigs and push the system to it's limit somewhat.

Hacks? Yeah VAC and pbuster svck but theres no other option not even a votekick to boot hackers so we just bend over and take it =/ svcks. Also people who are hacking are blatant as all hell and don't even toggle (cs 1.6 lol) shooting while cloaked and running around the map at mach 5 isn't a "false accusation" or a "omg hes so good i call hacks" doesnt work that way and couldn't especially on this game you can easily tell someones hacking its just blatant.

The console port claim.... debatable it very well could be a console port or maybe it's not who knows everyone has their opinions but meh...who cares.

Console ports aren't always a good thing lol it's been proven with many games before in the past so....stop right there.

@waldemar2

its true. the story in the first one was terrible, voice acting was awful, story was predictable etc. if the game did not have the visuals it would not have sold nearly as much. the visuals was one of the main attractions to the game. everything else was just bad.

Crysis was NEVER about gameplay, it has always been about amazing visuals. not to mention 100% of the people complaining about the game are complaining because they were LIED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! by crytek.

and NO the DX9 in crysis 2 does not look better than crysis 1. the lightning in the last one was much more realistic.

also you do not need a $4000 PC to run crysis 1 on max setting. you can build a PC under $1000 that will play crysis 1 on max settings at 1080p.

But in 2007 When Crysis came out you needed a $4000 PC.

And first of all you're calling it lightning (you know the thing that happens during a thunderstorm). Secondly, the only thing better about Crysis 1 was it's physics and in some cases textures (Crysis had its fair share of ugly textures as well.). With stuff like Global Illumination and Defreered Lighting how can you say Lighting is better LOL?

And Crysis had amazing gameplay too. In what other game could you grab a Korean, jump 10 feet high, blow up a vehicle, while taking shots from all sides at the same time? You could enjoy Crysis at lowest settings.

Anybody that's played this on a console will be able to tell that the PC version is vastly superior - The 'console port' comments I can't understand. It's a multi-platform engine scaled to work across multiple platforms. It's a PS3 port and it's an Xbox 360 port in the same way as the console versions are a PC port. It's all the same engine.

As far as design is concerned? Well all I can tell you is I'm having a lot more fun with C2's single player than C1, it runs a hell of a lot better and overall looks brilliant on my rather humble rig.

When Crysis came out, I seem to remember everybody complaining about the rig that you needed to run it, and the complaints about it being hideously unoptimised. Now they've released a game that runs absolutely brilliant on not so up-to-date hardware, everyone's complaining it's not pushing limits.

You just can't win.

Crysis was NEVER about gameplay, it has always been about amazing visuals. not to mention 100% of the people complaining about the game are complaining because they were LIED TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! by crytek.

and NO the DX9 in crysis 2 does not look better than crysis 1. the lightning in the last one was much more realistic.

also you do not need a $4000 PC to run crysis 1 on max setting. you can build a PC under $1000 that will play crysis 1 on max settings at 1080p.

But in 2007 When Crysis came out you needed a $4000 PC.

And first of all you're calling it lightning (you know the thing that happens during a thunderstorm). Secondly, the only thing better about Crysis 1 was it's physics and in some cases textures (Crysis had its fair share of ugly textures as well.). With stuff like Global Illumination and Defreered Lighting how can you say Lighting is better LOL?

And Crysis had amazing gameplay too. In what other game could you grab a Korean, jump 10 feet high, blow up a vehicle, while taking shots from all sides at the same time? You could enjoy Crysis at lowest settings.

even in 2007 you did not need $4000. the bloom effects in Crysis 2 are WAY to overdone, looks like ****. for the most part crysis 1 had better lighting than the second. the lighting in the first one had its problems but at least when it worked it looked more natural than the second one did.

I totally aggree to the starting post, everyone that blame this game so much should get together and make an own(maybe with the upcoming sanbox 3?) and then the whole community should rate it and say what they thing right into their face, cmon do it! you get as much time as crytek needed to make crysis 2, would be interesting, if you know everything so much better and if you think you know where the problems are and if you think it so damn horrible, then PLEASE HELP US AND MAKE A BETTER ONE. when i see how you talk about this game i have to think that you may think that you know how to make it better...THEN SHOW IT!!!

I think the big problem here is that Crytek LIED his PC costumers.

The game can be fixed with patches but there is not fix for the trust they had losed with this game.

OMG someone with logic on this forum! Completely agree OP

I totally aggree to the starting post, everyone that blame this game so much should get together and make an own(maybe with the upcoming sanbox 3?) and then the whole community should rate it and say what they thing right into their face, cmon do it! you get as much time as crytek needed to make crysis 2, would be interesting, if you know everything so much better and if you think you know where the problems are and if you think it so damn horrible, then PLEASE HELP US AND MAKE A BETTER ONE. when i see how you talk about this game i have to think that you may think that you know how to make it better...THEN SHOW IT!!!

ill do, give me 3 years and 7 millions dollars. thats roughly what crytek had.

I think the big problem here is that Crytek LIED his PC costumers.

The game can be fixed with patches but there is not fix for the trust they had losed with this game.They lied about what?

For clarity, can you specify exactly what they lied about, and the source of the broken promises from Crytek themselves please?

I totally aggree to the starting post, everyone that blame this game so much should get together and make an own(maybe with the upcoming sanbox 3?) and then the whole community should rate it and say what they thing right into their face, cmon do it! you get as much time as crytek needed to make crysis 2, would be interesting, if you know everything so much better and if you think you know where the problems are and if you think it so damn horrible, then PLEASE HELP US AND MAKE A BETTER ONE. when i see how you talk about this game i have to think that you may think that you know how to make it better...THEN SHOW IT!!!

ill do, give me 3 years and 7 millions dollars. thats roughly what crytek had.

Oh make sure it has a decent story. Gameplay was fine but Crysis 1 story was total crap. Actually no gameplay was **** too. Warhead had good gameplay. But was way too short. Crysis 2 has good gameplay and a good story, the most important components of a game. Let's see what you come up with. I'll give you a week to design an epic plot for your version of Crysis 2 set in the Lingshan isnlands.

I totally aggree to the starting post, everyone that blame this game so much should get together and make an own(maybe with the upcoming sanbox 3?) and then the whole community should rate it and say what they thing right into their face, cmon do it! you get as much time as crytek needed to make crysis 2, would be interesting, if you know everything so much better and if you think you know where the problems are and if you think it so damn horrible, then PLEASE HELP US AND MAKE A BETTER ONE. when i see how you talk about this game i have to think that you may think that you know how to make it better...THEN SHOW IT!!!

ill do, give me 3 years and 7 millions dollars. thats roughly what crytek had.

Oh make sure it has a decent story. Gameplay was fine but Crysis 1 story was total crap. Actually no gameplay was **** too. Warhead had good gameplay. But was way too short. Crysis 2 has good gameplay and a good story, the most important components of a game. Let's see what you come up with. I'll give you a week to design an epic plot for your version of Crysis 2 set in the Lingshan isnlands.

what part of 3 years and 7 million dollars did you not understand? in order to make this even i need what crytek had.

Well, OP you have to realize most who are ranting for two weeks without taking a breath aren't really mad about gameplay, AI etc. They are mad that Crysis2 is not a PC Exclusive. Why are they mad about that? beats me. Most don't play a game for the gameplay or fun it seems.

Lets take our binoculars and crouch and look at the textures with a zoomed in view, then neglect every other texture or lighting effect. Then post here.. Then claim.. oh I'm tired already

Well, OP you have to realize most who are ranting for two weeks without taking a breath aren't really mad about gameplay, AI etc. They are mad that Crysis2 is not a PC Exclusive. Why are they mad about that? beats me. Most don't play a game for the gameplay or fun it seems.

Lets take our binoculars and crouch and look at the textures with a zoomed in view, then neglect every other texture of lighting effect. Then post here.. Then claim.. oh I'm tired already

you dont need binoculars to see the terrible textures. just walking around the level they look like crap.

Crysis was NEVER about gameplay, it has always been about amazing visuals.



I second that. The arguments are getting worse everyday.

Seriously, at what point did PC gamers become stuck up self opinionated idiots who expect the world from a day 1 product...

SINCE BEFORE CONSOLES, SINCE WHEN HALF LIFE, QUAKE, CS... all worked out of box perfectly, no **** like today.

No one says its console port because of no dx11..... its console piece of **** port because it has console features

GAME IS optimized for **** gamepads, not keyb and mouse...