What threat did Umaril pose? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:06 pm

Didn't Gilgamesh have a happy ending?

If by happy you mean heartbreaking, then yes.

My above post was fixed by memospore correction. Apologies for the cut-off.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:44 am

One question on my mind is how he managed to get the Aurorans inside the cities? As players, we never saw Merida-style versions of Dagon's Gates. Dagon's portals were always outside the city walls. How did Meridia pull this guerilla warfare off?

Meridia raids, but Dagon plays for keeps. At least some of the gates were strategic and invasion highways. It seems that the orb was a sort of gate.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:28 pm

One question on my mind is how he managed to get the Aurorans inside the cities? As players, we never saw Merida-style versions of Dagon's Gates. Dagon's portals were always outside the city walls. How did Meridia pull this guerilla warfare off?

Prodigious use of illicit spectra..?

"When the light is right (read: wrong), then move in."

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:22 am

That said, I sure would like to read the story of Alkosh whooping Pelinal's ass back to Cyrod when the Whitestrake's pogroms strayed too far into the Dragon-Cat's land.

I haven't written that one yet. Checks and balances, baby. Checks and balances.

Skooma's good, m'kay...

___TWM

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:28 pm

I haven't written that one yet. Checks and balances, baby. Checks and balances.

Skooma's good, m'kay...

___TWM

A: Hey, P-dawg, chill for a sec and FFFFFFFFT habba some this.

P: BUTMUSTKILLGAAAAH.

A: Word 2, but that's not FFFFFFFT how we do it down here; now siddown, homes.

P: Fine, hand me the pipe. No, the other hand, this one, like, totally [censored]s [censored] up. FFFFFFFFFFT.

...

My God, Aka. This stuff makes my eyes go two inches in front of my *eyes*.

A: No joke. Now, look, over in FFFFFFT Cyrod, we can play out our amnesia war all we FFFFFT

P: YOU'RETAKINGTWOHITSNOFAIR

(Madness - map breaking)

A: ...okay, robot, let's fight. The kids love the explodo.

(Fight)

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:08 am

Yep, but I'm pffft that my pipe got broken. Now I can only masquerade as knowing what I'm talkin' 'bout.

Can someone share? Food stamps don't cover my screens. (Neither do burgers.) I'm in the penny-aisle, if anyone's interested. :mohawk:

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:08 am

If by happy you mean heartbreaking, then yes.

My above post was fixed by memospore correction. Apologies for the cut-off.

Damnit, they fed us the kiddy version. I'll never trust gradeschool Social Studies courses the same way again.

Just wikied it, and found out about a Mesoptamian settlement named Ashurbanipal. Why does that sound familiar?

Ashurbanipal
Utnapishtim
Shamhat
Anu
It's Morrowindiferous!

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:32 am

Damnit, they fed us the kiddy version. I'll never trust gradeschool Social Studies courses the same way again.
Just wikied it, and found out about a Mesoptamian settlement named Ashurbanipal. Why does that sound familiar?

Ashurbanipal
Utnapishtim
Shamhat
Anu
It's Morrowindiferous!

Ha ha ofcourse.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:46 am

And thousands of years of Good Coming From Bad, and/or whitewash, ignorance, shame, his Song being read by the Knights merely as fancy rather than right record, etc, might explain the Order's reluctance to villify or apologize for him. Plus, no one wants to gets smothered in their sleep by moths.

Indeed, Pelinal Whitestrake, Nibenay warlord of the Elven Pogrom, mistook the khajiit for another strain of Aldmeri and killed many of their number before realizing his error.

I'll go for white-wash, it's not quite Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf but for getting his butt kicked it's definitly a nice spin.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:29 am

Ashurbanipal
Utnapishtim
Shamhat
Anu
It's Morrowindiferous!

...

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Hey, kids, look over there! A giant cat-dragon is fighting a hard-light robot..!

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:08 pm

I distract, therefore I am (and I are all we). :bigsmile:

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:47 pm

I distract, therefore I am (and I are all we). :bigsmile:

Helpful Aedric annotation.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:27 pm

I distract, therefore I am (and I are all we). :bigsmile:

Ohh.. that was.. ofcourse you are.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:12 pm

So there would have been another Oblivion crisis. I guess Umaril just has an overdeveloped love of subtlety. Or maybe his warnings were meant to draw Wild Elves and more conservative Altmer to his banner?

well, he wanted to whither them from within as well. Imagine if an entire race viewed as "friendly" suddenly slaughtered your family and forced you into service? Morale hammer.

I guess we are lucky then that the saintly Pelinal Whitestrake was around to stop them. Why if Pelinal hadn't been there then who would have gone on crazy murderous rampages in which he destroyed entire towns and slaughtered his own people as much as he did the Ayleids.

What a true hero.

Just like my boy Herakles (or Hercules, for the roman-minded).

Just remember: A "hero" isn't a savior. it's a man (usually), good or evil, dosen't matter, who goes beyond the normal human experience to the point of being powerful enough to influence the world after death. In the real meaning of the word, Dagoth Ur, even Umaril himself are "heroes," depending on who you ask. Many people forget that, inventing words like 'Anti-hero."

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:08 pm

In the real meaning of the word, Dagoth Ur, even Umaril himself are "heroes," depending on who you ask. Many people forget that, inventing words like 'Anti-hero."

They lost so they were the villains and but they still pretty much define a hero.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:37 am

You could say that TES has its own breeds of heroes: people who take part entianomorphic dances and anonymous figures who keep the world moving, lost inside their titles. The Agents and Champions. And I suppose there is overlap.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:04 pm

Indeed.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:12 pm

Just remember: A "hero" isn't a savior. it's a man (usually), good or evil, dosen't matter, who goes beyond the normal human experience to the point of being powerful enough to influence the world after death. In the real meaning of the word, Dagoth Ur, even Umaril himself are "heroes," depending on who you ask. Many people forget that, inventing words like 'Anti-hero."

Of course Umaril is a hero. He valiantly tried to defend his people.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:05 am

Of course Umaril is a hero. He valiantly tried to defend his people.

He hid inside his castle until Pelinal showed up, and didn't fight himself until he had to. He didn't do a lot to defend the dozens of Ayleid cities and kings who were killed by Pelinal before he showed up at White Gold Tower.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:28 am

He hid inside his castle until Pelinal showed up, and didn't fight himself until he had to. He didn't do a lot to defend the dozens of Ayleid cities and kings who were killed by Pelinal before he showed up at White Gold Tower.

Wouldn't you hide if Pelinal was out to get you?

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:44 am

Wouldn't you hide if Pelinal was out to get you?

I never said I wouldn't, but then again, I never claimed to be a hero..and I'm pretty sure Umaril didn't either. He didn't oppose Pelinal out of any noble cause, but because he hated men...and Pelinal hated Elves. It was mutual racism and frankly neither guy was very likable at all.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:36 pm

I never said I wouldn't, but then again, I never claimed to be a hero..and I'm pretty sure Umaril didn't either. He didn't oppose Pelinal out of any noble cause, but because he hated men...and Pelinal hated Elves. It was mutual racism and frankly neither guy was very likable at all.

:unsure: It was meant to be a joke.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:48 am

To point out why Umaril didn't fight is because they weren't HIS PEOPLE. They were other eyelids... other random people that where a member of his race. I don't feel like getting into more detail, so go figure.

Edit: I should point out he was a king over his own people, some of the Aylieds weren't his to care for.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:44 am

-snip- They were other eyelids... -snip-

That has to be the best typo I have ever seen!

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:48 pm

A: ...okay, robot, let's fight. The kids love the explodo.

Hey, kids, look over there! A giant cat-dragon is fighting a hard-light robot..!

[And then] Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves, [whose] facets could [un-sector and form] into a man whose every angle could cut her jailers

Pelinal is an artificial construct?!!! Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!
What is he - A super advanced and sentient Knight of Order?
Anybody know what hard-light is?