So was I, but apparently Ace Hanlon has you to riled up to catch the trolling joke :cryvaultboy:
I did no such thing sir.
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As for your other argument, it's apparent that the BoS is doing far better than the Talon Company against the Super Mutants. Simply watch a battle without interfering, you'll see who wins most of the time. Usually the BoS destroy the Super Mutants, while Talon Company tends to get wrecked. With that Broken Steel encounter near Fort Bannister, a squad of three or four Paladins kill everybody in the Fort without player interference.
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Sunny Under - Posts: 3368
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:17 am
I did no such thing sir.
I was refering to me when I said 'The trolling joke'.
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Big mike - Posts: 3423
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:12 pm
How about Veterans led by a Decanus? That would be a fair fight. Even then, TC weapon's couldn't do anything against legion armor (Combat shotguns and Chinese ARs would be much worse given the DT system), while Veterans and Decani have Hunting Rifles, Power Fists, Fire Axes, Chainsaws, 12.7mm SMGs, and Trail Carbines that could all do work against TC armor. Oh, and we all know that lore wise, there are no recruits for any faction that can match the physical conditioning and discipline of a legion recruit.
Combat shotgun roughly equates to the Riot Shotgun, which is VERY effective against Legion armor, and Chinese ARs would basically compute to a full-auto Marksman Carbine.
As for your other argument, it's apparent that the BoS is doing far better than the Talon Company against the Super Mutants. Simply watch a battle without interfering, you'll see who wins most of the time. Usually the BoS destroy the Super Mutants, while Talon Company tends to get wrecked. With that Broken Steel encounter near Fort Bannister, a squad of three or four Paladins kill everybody in the Fort without player interference.
Heh, I've seen this, researched it, you know that the BoS Paladins are specially buffed in health, basically just bullet sponges with guns?
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lilmissparty - Posts: 3469
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:27 pm
Combat shotgun roughly equates to the Riot Shotgun, which is VERY effective against Legion armor, and Chinese ARs would basically compute to a full-auto Marksman Carbine.
Not even close. The Combat Shotgun doesn't have the DPS or flat-out damage to equal a Riot Shotgun. Damage per projectile for a Combat Shotgun is 6, which would be very ineffective against a 10DT armor. The Chinese AR has a damage per projectile of 11, which although slightly better is nothing compared to a 12.7mm SMGs damage per projectile of 36 and DPS of 300+. Not to mention the ability to snipe using a Trail Carbine or Hunting Rifle, or just do a melee charge with a Power Fist or Fire Axe. Just because the recruits are poorly equipped (which they make up for in sheer numbers and willingness to give up their lives), doesn't mean the Legion is a bunch of low-tech savages.
Heh, I've seen this, researched it, you know that the BoS Paladins are specially buffed in health, basically just bullet sponges with guns?
That, unfortunately is how the Fallout games handle tough enemies. Given the engine they use, I believe making enemies have good gear and be bullet sponges is the only way to make them as tough as they are supposed to be in lore. I hope this will be done away with in future installments, as AI advances.
Not even close. The Combat Shotgun doesn't have the DPS or flat-out damage to equal a Riot Shotgun. Damage per projectile for a Combat Shotgun is 6, which would be very ineffective against a 10DT armor. The Chinese AR has a damage per projectile of 11, which although slightly better is nothing compared to a 12.7mm SMGs damage per projectile of 36 and DPS of 300+. Not to mention the ability to snipe using a Trail Carbine or Hunting Rifle, or just do a melee charge with a Power Fist or Fire Axe. Just because the recruits are poorly equipped (which they make up for in sheer numbers and willingness to give up their lives), doesn't mean the Legion is a bunch of low-tech savages.
Heh, I've seen this, researched it, you know that the BoS Paladins are specially buffed in health, basically just bullet sponges with guns?
That, unfortunately is how the Fallout games handle tough enemies. Given the engine they use, I believe making enemies have good gear and be bullet sponges is the only way to make them as tough as they are supposed to be in lore. I hope this will be done away with in future installments, as AI advances.
My answers are in bold.
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Marion Geneste - Posts: 3566
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:06 am
So we take the weapon stats directly from a game using a completely different damage system? The weapons had damage like that because of the DR system, but in NV, we have weapons using the same ammo to compare to, given the dimensions of the CAR, I'd put its damage somewhere in between the Service Rifle and Marksman.
Seriously, with the comparison your giving, why not just give the Mercs the DR armor they had, just to blow all remaining credibility out the window.
Seriously, with the comparison your giving, why not just give the Mercs the DR armor they had, just to blow all remaining credibility out the window.
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Anthony Santillan - Posts: 3461
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:33 am
So we take the weapon stats directly from a game using a completely different damage system? The weapons had damage like that because of the DR system, but in NV, we have weapons using the same ammo to compare to, given the dimensions of the CAR, I'd put its damage somewhere in between the Service Rifle and Marksman.
Seriously, with the comparison your giving, why not just give the Mercs the DR armor they had, just to blow all remaining credibility out the window.
Seriously, with the comparison your giving, why not just give the Mercs the DR armor they had, just to blow all remaining credibility out the window.
Fair enough, it's hard to compare in-game details between two games with such different mechanics. Lore-wise though you'll have to agree that getting to the rank of Decanus alone requires more experience and skill than most TC mercs have. If you give equipment to TC, then you'll have to give training and skill to the Legion.
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michael flanigan - Posts: 3449
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:51 pm
Fair enough, it's hard to compare in-game details between two games with such different mechanics. Lore-wise though you'll have to agree that getting to the rank of Decanus alone requires more experience and skill than most TC mercs have. If you give equipment to TC, then you'll have to give training and skill to the Legion.
I never claimed that they had the training of a Legionary, only that they are tough enough to hold water against one.
And it is obvious that equipment goes to TC and crazy toughness goes to the Legion.
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Dragonz Dancer - Posts: 3441
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:45 am
Chuck Norris vs Chuck Norris.
Wasteland battle of the centuries.
Wasteland battle of the centuries.
Ohhhhhh Mr. House this is good...
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Roberta Obrien - Posts: 3499
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:38 am
I never claimed that they had the training of a Legionary, only that they are tough enough to hold water against one.
And it is obvious that equipment goes to TC and crazy toughness goes to the Legion.
And it is obvious that equipment goes to TC and crazy toughness goes to the Legion.
Okay, glad we agree here. Well, since there is really no way to draw up a conclusion without speculating, let's just call this thing a draw.
On a side note, may I ask where your love for Talon Company comes from? They would always be hostile to the player, so I saw them as nothing more than raiders, albeit better organized and equipped. You, however, seem to view them completely different. Why, when all they did was try to kill you? Were you on PC, and had some sort of Talon Company mod? I can't fathom any other reason, aside from RPing a TC character using said mod.
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Richard - Posts: 3371
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:54 pm
On a side note, may I ask where your love for Talon Company comes from? They would always be hostile to the player, so I saw them as nothing more than raiders, albeit better organized and equipped. You, however, seem to view them completely different. Why, when all they did was try to kill you? Were you on PC, and had some sort of Talon Company mod? I can't fathom any other reason, aside from RPing a TC character using said mod.
Let me show you something from the Fallout 4 Suggestion thread.
Encased in spoiler tags for immense size and awesomeness.
Spoiler
I would like Talon Company to be in Fallout 4, but not like they were in Fallout 3, I want it to be like the factions of New Vegas, with interaction and reputation. My logic is that, in a post-nuclear world like Fallout, an entity like the Talon Company would flourish into tremendous presence, even more so in areas where no large factions had developed to create order. I mean, the Talon Company is a perfect example of the perfect post-apocolyptic business model, a moderatly sized, well-equiped paramilitary force that would be deployed at the word and monetary expense of wealthy people or groups to vy for power. I dont understand how there are no other factions like them, the Talon Company should be in Fallout 4, it fits well in the setting and, frankly, the poor usage of a faction with such potential in Fallout 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and, seeing how very well Obsidian did with factions in Fallout: New Vegas, really fleshing them out with backgrounds and interactions, I have no doubt that, if Bethesda takes some pointers from New Vegas's handling of factions, they could be a great faction in Fallout 4.
Talon Company
Talon Company is an equal opportunity employer. Talon Company is a mercenary group who has almost no restrictions on contracts, making it one of the most effective, and therefore wealthiest and best equipped, mercenary group known to exist in the wasteland, it's Regional HQ's are usually pre-war military installations, and the technical department of Talon Company is known for achieving great technological discoveries, such as the activation of Highwater Trousers. The basic Talon Mercenary is equipped with a suit of Talon Company Combat Armor, a 5.56mm R91 Urban Assault Rifle, and a Combat Knife or Police Baton, mercenaries are allowed to use their pay to purchase other weapons from any Talon Company Armory, weapons available range from the 5.56mm Type-93 Chinese Assault Rifle to the AER9 Laser Rifle to the feared Missile Launcher.
Mercenaries that prove their mettle in battle stand a chance to be promoted to Squad Leader rank and given Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 1 and will be in charge of a squad of 5 basic Talon Mercenaries. Another great charactaristic of the Talon Company is its orginazation, 5 Mercs and a Squad Leader make up a squad, 5 squads are led by a Talon Company Veteran Mercenary, whom wear Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 2 with a stylish duster, and all Veteran Mercenaries report to their respective Regional Commander. An added benefit of being a part of the Talon Company is that the Company will pay off any bounty (up to 10000 caps) for a mercenary that proves that they are loyal and can pass the recruitment tests. The training process is specially administered to weed out the weak and instill loyalty in the strong, bringing out the best in your character, defeating the worst of it. Many rumors float about, saying that the Company is "evil" or "full of maniacs", this is simply not the case, the Talon Company just doesn't pass moral judgment on those who would wish to emply Talon Mercenaries, and who needs to bog down good business with morals in the wasteland? Dispite the rumors, Talon Company does in no way practice sixual discrimination, mercenary applicants are accepted from all walks of life if they can prove themselves.
Thanks to the BoS-Enclave War, Talon Company has come into possession of a large amount of Enclave equipment and have captured some researchers, you can bet we shot those fascists! But other than the killing of those that wanted to kill all of your friends and family, the experience has also created a new rank in the Talon Company, an alternative to becoming a Squad Leader, the Talon Company Shocktrooper wears specially customized Talon Company Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 and comes equipped with a Minigun, Gatling Laser, or Heavy Incinerator!
The Talon Company has from then gained strength, called for an end to hostilities with the BoS, and is focusing on fighting the Super Mutants, once again fighting those who would kill your friends, pets, neighbors, and all of your family.
Join Talon Company, it's exciting, worthwhile, enriching (both in experience and monetarily), and the best way to truly broaden your horizon!
Any person who wishes to join Talon Company only has to speak to your local Talon Company representative, from them you can negotiate on the purchase of mercenary contracts, or speak to them about joining Talon Company.
Mako Vlazkov
Talon Company Veteran Mercenary and acting New England Regional Commander
I would like Talon Company to be in Fallout 4, but not like they were in Fallout 3, I want it to be like the factions of New Vegas, with interaction and reputation. My logic is that, in a post-nuclear world like Fallout, an entity like the Talon Company would flourish into tremendous presence, even more so in areas where no large factions had developed to create order. I mean, the Talon Company is a perfect example of the perfect post-apocolyptic business model, a moderatly sized, well-equiped paramilitary force that would be deployed at the word and monetary expense of wealthy people or groups to vy for power. I dont understand how there are no other factions like them, the Talon Company should be in Fallout 4, it fits well in the setting and, frankly, the poor usage of a faction with such potential in Fallout 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and, seeing how very well Obsidian did with factions in Fallout: New Vegas, really fleshing them out with backgrounds and interactions, I have no doubt that, if Bethesda takes some pointers from New Vegas's handling of factions, they could be a great faction in Fallout 4.
Talon Company
Talon Company is an equal opportunity employer. Talon Company is a mercenary group who has almost no restrictions on contracts, making it one of the most effective, and therefore wealthiest and best equipped, mercenary group known to exist in the wasteland, it's Regional HQ's are usually pre-war military installations, and the technical department of Talon Company is known for achieving great technological discoveries, such as the activation of Highwater Trousers. The basic Talon Mercenary is equipped with a suit of Talon Company Combat Armor, a 5.56mm R91 Urban Assault Rifle, and a Combat Knife or Police Baton, mercenaries are allowed to use their pay to purchase other weapons from any Talon Company Armory, weapons available range from the 5.56mm Type-93 Chinese Assault Rifle to the AER9 Laser Rifle to the feared Missile Launcher.
Mercenaries that prove their mettle in battle stand a chance to be promoted to Squad Leader rank and given Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 1 and will be in charge of a squad of 5 basic Talon Mercenaries. Another great charactaristic of the Talon Company is its orginazation, 5 Mercs and a Squad Leader make up a squad, 5 squads are led by a Talon Company Veteran Mercenary, whom wear Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 2 with a stylish duster, and all Veteran Mercenaries report to their respective Regional Commander. An added benefit of being a part of the Talon Company is that the Company will pay off any bounty (up to 10000 caps) for a mercenary that proves that they are loyal and can pass the recruitment tests. The training process is specially administered to weed out the weak and instill loyalty in the strong, bringing out the best in your character, defeating the worst of it. Many rumors float about, saying that the Company is "evil" or "full of maniacs", this is simply not the case, the Talon Company just doesn't pass moral judgment on those who would wish to emply Talon Mercenaries, and who needs to bog down good business with morals in the wasteland? Dispite the rumors, Talon Company does in no way practice sixual discrimination, mercenary applicants are accepted from all walks of life if they can prove themselves.
Thanks to the BoS-Enclave War, Talon Company has come into possession of a large amount of Enclave equipment and have captured some researchers, you can bet we shot those fascists! But other than the killing of those that wanted to kill all of your friends and family, the experience has also created a new rank in the Talon Company, an alternative to becoming a Squad Leader, the Talon Company Shocktrooper wears specially customized Talon Company Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 and comes equipped with a Minigun, Gatling Laser, or Heavy Incinerator!
The Talon Company has from then gained strength, called for an end to hostilities with the BoS, and is focusing on fighting the Super Mutants, once again fighting those who would kill your friends, pets, neighbors, and all of your family.
Join Talon Company, it's exciting, worthwhile, enriching (both in experience and monetarily), and the best way to truly broaden your horizon!
Any person who wishes to join Talon Company only has to speak to your local Talon Company representative, from them you can negotiate on the purchase of mercenary contracts, or speak to them about joining Talon Company.
Mako Vlazkov
Talon Company Veteran Mercenary and acting New England Regional Commander
I like them because, at their root, they are what I believe to be the perfect post-nuclear business model, but Bethesda decided, in their infinite wisdom, to take this faction with great potential... and force them into the role of.... generic "bad guy" XP fodder... and it causes me great grief.
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Naomi Ward - Posts: 3450
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:57 pm
Let me show you something from the Fallout 4 Suggestion thread.
Encased in spoiler tags for immense size and awesomeness.
I like them because, at their root, they are what I believe to be the perfect post-nuclear business model, but Bethesda decided, in their infinite wisdom, to take this faction with great potential... and force them into the role of.... generic "bad guy" XP fodder...
Encased in spoiler tags for immense size and awesomeness.
Spoiler
I would like Talon Company to be in Fallout 4, but not like they were in Fallout 3, I want it to be like the factions of New Vegas, with interaction and reputation. My logic is that, in a post-nuclear world like Fallout, an entity like the Talon Company would flourish into tremendous presence, even more so in areas where no large factions had developed to create order. I mean, the Talon Company is a perfect example of the perfect post-apocolyptic business model, a moderatly sized, well-equiped paramilitary force that would be deployed at the word and monetary expense of wealthy people or groups to vy for power. I dont understand how there are no other factions like them, the Talon Company should be in Fallout 4, it fits well in the setting and, frankly, the poor usage of a faction with such potential in Fallout 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and, seeing how very well Obsidian did with factions in Fallout: New Vegas, really fleshing them out with backgrounds and interactions, I have no doubt that, if Bethesda takes some pointers from New Vegas's handling of factions, they could be a great faction in Fallout 4.
Talon Company
Talon Company is an equal opportunity employer. Talon Company is a mercenary group who has almost no restrictions on contracts, making it one of the most effective, and therefore wealthiest and best equipped, mercenary group known to exist in the wasteland, it's Regional HQ's are usually pre-war military installations, and the technical department of Talon Company is known for achieving great technological discoveries, such as the activation of Highwater Trousers. The basic Talon Mercenary is equipped with a suit of Talon Company Combat Armor, a 5.56mm R91 Urban Assault Rifle, and a Combat Knife or Police Baton, mercenaries are allowed to use their pay to purchase other weapons from any Talon Company Armory, weapons available range from the 5.56mm Type-87 Chinese Assault Rifle to the AER9 Laser Rifle to the feared Missile Launcher.
Mercenaries that prove their mettle in battle stand a chance to be promoted to Squad Leader rank and given Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 1 and will be in charge of a squad of 5 basic Talon Mercenaries. Another great charactaristic of the Talon Company is its orginazation, 5 Mercs and a Squad Leader make up a squad, 5 squads are led by a Talon Company Veteran Mercenary, whom wear Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 2 with a stylish duster, and all Veteran Mercenaries report to their respective Regional Commander. An added benefit of being a part of the Talon Company is that the Company will pay off any bounty (up to 10000 caps) for a mercenary that proves that they are loyal and can pass the recruitment tests. The training process is specially administered to weed out the weak and instill loyalty in the strong, bringing out the best in your character, defeating the worst of it. Many rumors float about, saying that the Company is "evil" or "full of maniacs", this is simply not the case, the Talon Company just doesn't pass moral judgment on those who would wish to emply Talon Mercenaries, and who needs to bog down good business with morals in the wasteland? Dispite the rumors, Talon Company does in no way practice sixual discrimination, mercenary applicants are accepted from all walks of life if they can prove themselves.
Thanks to the BoS-Enclave War, Talon Company has come into possession of a large amount of Enclave equipment and have captured some researchers, you can bet we shot those fascists! But other than the killing of those that wanted to kill all of your friends and family, the experience has also created a new rank in the Talon Company, an alternative to becoming a Squad Leader, the Talon Company Shocktrooper wears specially customized Talon Company Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 and comes equipped with a Minigun, Gatling Laser, or Heavy Incinerator!
The Talon Company has from then gained strength, called for an end to hostilities with the BoS, and is focusing on fighting the Super Mutants, once again fighting those who would kill your friends, pets, neighbors, and all of your family.
Join Talon Company, it's exciting, worthwhile, enriching (both in experience and monetarily), and the best way to truly broaden your horizon!
Any person who wishes to join Talon Company only has to speak to your local Talon Company representative, from them you can negotiate on the purchase of mercenary contracts, or speak to them about joining Talon Company.
Mako Vlazkov
Talon Company Veteran Mercenary and acting New England Regional Commander
I would like Talon Company to be in Fallout 4, but not like they were in Fallout 3, I want it to be like the factions of New Vegas, with interaction and reputation. My logic is that, in a post-nuclear world like Fallout, an entity like the Talon Company would flourish into tremendous presence, even more so in areas where no large factions had developed to create order. I mean, the Talon Company is a perfect example of the perfect post-apocolyptic business model, a moderatly sized, well-equiped paramilitary force that would be deployed at the word and monetary expense of wealthy people or groups to vy for power. I dont understand how there are no other factions like them, the Talon Company should be in Fallout 4, it fits well in the setting and, frankly, the poor usage of a faction with such potential in Fallout 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and, seeing how very well Obsidian did with factions in Fallout: New Vegas, really fleshing them out with backgrounds and interactions, I have no doubt that, if Bethesda takes some pointers from New Vegas's handling of factions, they could be a great faction in Fallout 4.
Talon Company
Talon Company is an equal opportunity employer. Talon Company is a mercenary group who has almost no restrictions on contracts, making it one of the most effective, and therefore wealthiest and best equipped, mercenary group known to exist in the wasteland, it's Regional HQ's are usually pre-war military installations, and the technical department of Talon Company is known for achieving great technological discoveries, such as the activation of Highwater Trousers. The basic Talon Mercenary is equipped with a suit of Talon Company Combat Armor, a 5.56mm R91 Urban Assault Rifle, and a Combat Knife or Police Baton, mercenaries are allowed to use their pay to purchase other weapons from any Talon Company Armory, weapons available range from the 5.56mm Type-87 Chinese Assault Rifle to the AER9 Laser Rifle to the feared Missile Launcher.
Mercenaries that prove their mettle in battle stand a chance to be promoted to Squad Leader rank and given Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 1 and will be in charge of a squad of 5 basic Talon Mercenaries. Another great charactaristic of the Talon Company is its orginazation, 5 Mercs and a Squad Leader make up a squad, 5 squads are led by a Talon Company Veteran Mercenary, whom wear Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 2 with a stylish duster, and all Veteran Mercenaries report to their respective Regional Commander. An added benefit of being a part of the Talon Company is that the Company will pay off any bounty (up to 10000 caps) for a mercenary that proves that they are loyal and can pass the recruitment tests. The training process is specially administered to weed out the weak and instill loyalty in the strong, bringing out the best in your character, defeating the worst of it. Many rumors float about, saying that the Company is "evil" or "full of maniacs", this is simply not the case, the Talon Company just doesn't pass moral judgment on those who would wish to emply Talon Mercenaries, and who needs to bog down good business with morals in the wasteland? Dispite the rumors, Talon Company does in no way practice sixual discrimination, mercenary applicants are accepted from all walks of life if they can prove themselves.
Thanks to the BoS-Enclave War, Talon Company has come into possession of a large amount of Enclave equipment and have captured some researchers, you can bet we shot those fascists! But other than the killing of those that wanted to kill all of your friends and family, the experience has also created a new rank in the Talon Company, an alternative to becoming a Squad Leader, the Talon Company Shocktrooper wears specially customized Talon Company Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 and comes equipped with a Minigun, Gatling Laser, or Heavy Incinerator!
The Talon Company has from then gained strength, called for an end to hostilities with the BoS, and is focusing on fighting the Super Mutants, once again fighting those who would kill your friends, pets, neighbors, and all of your family.
Join Talon Company, it's exciting, worthwhile, enriching (both in experience and monetarily), and the best way to truly broaden your horizon!
Any person who wishes to join Talon Company only has to speak to your local Talon Company representative, from them you can negotiate on the purchase of mercenary contracts, or speak to them about joining Talon Company.
Mako Vlazkov
Talon Company Veteran Mercenary and acting New England Regional Commander
I like them because, at their root, they are what I believe to be the perfect post-nuclear business model, but Bethesda decided, in their infinite wisdom, to take this faction with great potential... and force them into the role of.... generic "bad guy" XP fodder...
Wow, I never thought anybody could like Talon Company that much. I actually would like some of those ideas implemented in future Fallouts. Very nicely done, Mako.
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Kelsey Anna Farley - Posts: 3433
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:09 am
OK a group of 12 talon company mercs vs 1 centurion 4 legion recruits 4 vet legionaires and 3 prime legionaires. fair lore backed fight.
Talon Company would win with ease. OVERWHELMING FIREPOWER.
They would spray the centurion down, and after that it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Talon Company is about hand to hand combat as well. Plus they had nades and actually used them.
Final score Talon Company 12kills CL 4kills
TALON COMPANY FTW.
Talon Company would win with ease. OVERWHELMING FIREPOWER.
They would spray the centurion down, and after that it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Talon Company is about hand to hand combat as well. Plus they had nades and actually used them.
Final score Talon Company 12kills CL 4kills
TALON COMPANY FTW.
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Jerry Cox - Posts: 3409
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:56 pm
Wow, I never thought anybody could like Talon Company that much. I actually would like some of those ideas implemented in future Fallouts. Very nicely done, Mako.
Thank ya, I put a lot of thought into it. Talon Company has SO much more potential than just being the mid-tier "bad guys."
@Rook Well, i don't know about THAT overwhelming of a victory, although i do expect victory, Cents and Vets are damn tough, and Primes have pretty good firepower, not as strong as my trusty Type-93 (Vault says that is what is now, it used to be called the Type-87, oh well).
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BlackaneseB - Posts: 3431
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:03 pm
there are no recruits for any faction that can match the physical conditioning and discipline of a legion recruit.
As for your other argument, it's apparent that the BoS is doing far better than the Talon Company against the Super Mutants. Simply watch a battle without interfering, you'll see who wins most of the time. Usually the BoS destroy the Super Mutants, while Talon Company tends to get wrecked. With that Broken Steel encounter near Fort Bannister, a squad of three or four Paladins kill everybody in the Fort without player interference.
As for your other argument, it's apparent that the BoS is doing far better than the Talon Company against the Super Mutants. Simply watch a battle without interfering, you'll see who wins most of the time. Usually the BoS destroy the Super Mutants, while Talon Company tends to get wrecked. With that Broken Steel encounter near Fort Bannister, a squad of three or four Paladins kill everybody in the Fort without player interference.
What fo3 did you play? Those bos paladins die before the first gun turret with my help. Talon Company fights very well againts a larger number of Super Mutants in the capital building and in the mall.
They sweep through the top of the Capital Building until they for some reason all run into the room with the 25ft tall supet mutant.
CL recruits die well. Very well trained lol
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Tamara Primo - Posts: 3483
- Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:15 am
» Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:28 pm
What fo3 did you play? Those bos paladins die before the first gun turret with my help. Talon Company fights very well againts a larger number of Super Mutants in the capital building and in the mall.
They sweep through the top of the Capital Building until they for some reason all run into the room with the 25ft tall supet mutant.
CL recruits die well. Very well trained lol
They sweep through the top of the Capital Building until they for some reason all run into the room with the 25ft tall supet mutant.
CL recruits die well. Very well trained lol
In my game they killed the Behemoth with the Fat Man, then proceeded throughout the building.
Although they had taken Bannister in one playthrough, only because i had accidentally killed some of the guards by accidentally bringing an Albino Radscorpion too close.
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Liii BLATES - Posts: 3423
- Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:41 am
» Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:19 am
Let me show you something from the Fallout 4 Suggestion thread.
Encased in spoiler tags for immense size and awesomeness.
I like them because, at their root, they are what I believe to be the perfect post-nuclear business model, but Bethesda decided, in their infinite wisdom, to take this faction with great potential... and force them into the role of.... generic "bad guy" XP fodder... and it causes me great grief.
Encased in spoiler tags for immense size and awesomeness.
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I would like Talon Company to be in Fallout 4, but not like they were in Fallout 3, I want it to be like the factions of New Vegas, with interaction and reputation. My logic is that, in a post-nuclear world like Fallout, an entity like the Talon Company would flourish into tremendous presence, even more so in areas where no large factions had developed to create order. I mean, the Talon Company is a perfect example of the perfect post-apocolyptic business model, a moderatly sized, well-equiped paramilitary force that would be deployed at the word and monetary expense of wealthy people or groups to vy for power. I dont understand how there are no other factions like them, the Talon Company should be in Fallout 4, it fits well in the setting and, frankly, the poor usage of a faction with such potential in Fallout 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and, seeing how very well Obsidian did with factions in Fallout: New Vegas, really fleshing them out with backgrounds and interactions, I have no doubt that, if Bethesda takes some pointers from New Vegas's handling of factions, they could be a great faction in Fallout 4.
Talon Company
Talon Company is an equal opportunity employer. Talon Company is a mercenary group who has almost no restrictions on contracts, making it one of the most effective, and therefore wealthiest and best equipped, mercenary group known to exist in the wasteland, it's Regional HQ's are usually pre-war military installations, and the technical department of Talon Company is known for achieving great technological discoveries, such as the activation of Highwater Trousers. The basic Talon Mercenary is equipped with a suit of Talon Company Combat Armor, a 5.56mm R91 Urban Assault Rifle, and a Combat Knife or Police Baton, mercenaries are allowed to use their pay to purchase other weapons from any Talon Company Armory, weapons available range from the 5.56mm Type-93 Chinese Assault Rifle to the AER9 Laser Rifle to the feared Missile Launcher.
Mercenaries that prove their mettle in battle stand a chance to be promoted to Squad Leader rank and given Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 1 and will be in charge of a squad of 5 basic Talon Mercenaries. Another great charactaristic of the Talon Company is its orginazation, 5 Mercs and a Squad Leader make up a squad, 5 squads are led by a Talon Company Veteran Mercenary, whom wear Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 2 with a stylish duster, and all Veteran Mercenaries report to their respective Regional Commander. An added benefit of being a part of the Talon Company is that the Company will pay off any bounty (up to 10000 caps) for a mercenary that proves that they are loyal and can pass the recruitment tests. The training process is specially administered to weed out the weak and instill loyalty in the strong, bringing out the best in your character, defeating the worst of it. Many rumors float about, saying that the Company is "evil" or "full of maniacs", this is simply not the case, the Talon Company just doesn't pass moral judgment on those who would wish to emply Talon Mercenaries, and who needs to bog down good business with morals in the wasteland? Dispite the rumors, Talon Company does in no way practice sixual discrimination, mercenary applicants are accepted from all walks of life if they can prove themselves.
Thanks to the BoS-Enclave War, Talon Company has come into possession of a large amount of Enclave equipment and have captured some researchers, you can bet we shot those fascists! But other than the killing of those that wanted to kill all of your friends and family, the experience has also created a new rank in the Talon Company, an alternative to becoming a Squad Leader, the Talon Company Shocktrooper wears specially customized Talon Company Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 and comes equipped with a Minigun, Gatling Laser, or Heavy Incinerator!
The Talon Company has from then gained strength, called for an end to hostilities with the BoS, and is focusing on fighting the Super Mutants, once again fighting those who would kill your friends, pets, neighbors, and all of your family.
Join Talon Company, it's exciting, worthwhile, enriching (both in experience and monetarily), and the best way to truly broaden your horizon!
Any person who wishes to join Talon Company only has to speak to your local Talon Company representative, from them you can negotiate on the purchase of mercenary contracts, or speak to them about joining Talon Company.
Mako Vlazkov
Talon Company Veteran Mercenary and acting New England Regional Commander
I would like Talon Company to be in Fallout 4, but not like they were in Fallout 3, I want it to be like the factions of New Vegas, with interaction and reputation. My logic is that, in a post-nuclear world like Fallout, an entity like the Talon Company would flourish into tremendous presence, even more so in areas where no large factions had developed to create order. I mean, the Talon Company is a perfect example of the perfect post-apocolyptic business model, a moderatly sized, well-equiped paramilitary force that would be deployed at the word and monetary expense of wealthy people or groups to vy for power. I dont understand how there are no other factions like them, the Talon Company should be in Fallout 4, it fits well in the setting and, frankly, the poor usage of a faction with such potential in Fallout 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, and, seeing how very well Obsidian did with factions in Fallout: New Vegas, really fleshing them out with backgrounds and interactions, I have no doubt that, if Bethesda takes some pointers from New Vegas's handling of factions, they could be a great faction in Fallout 4.
Talon Company
Talon Company is an equal opportunity employer. Talon Company is a mercenary group who has almost no restrictions on contracts, making it one of the most effective, and therefore wealthiest and best equipped, mercenary group known to exist in the wasteland, it's Regional HQ's are usually pre-war military installations, and the technical department of Talon Company is known for achieving great technological discoveries, such as the activation of Highwater Trousers. The basic Talon Mercenary is equipped with a suit of Talon Company Combat Armor, a 5.56mm R91 Urban Assault Rifle, and a Combat Knife or Police Baton, mercenaries are allowed to use their pay to purchase other weapons from any Talon Company Armory, weapons available range from the 5.56mm Type-93 Chinese Assault Rifle to the AER9 Laser Rifle to the feared Missile Launcher.
Mercenaries that prove their mettle in battle stand a chance to be promoted to Squad Leader rank and given Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 1 and will be in charge of a squad of 5 basic Talon Mercenaries. Another great charactaristic of the Talon Company is its orginazation, 5 Mercs and a Squad Leader make up a squad, 5 squads are led by a Talon Company Veteran Mercenary, whom wear Reinforced Talon Company Combat Armor Mk. 2 with a stylish duster, and all Veteran Mercenaries report to their respective Regional Commander. An added benefit of being a part of the Talon Company is that the Company will pay off any bounty (up to 10000 caps) for a mercenary that proves that they are loyal and can pass the recruitment tests. The training process is specially administered to weed out the weak and instill loyalty in the strong, bringing out the best in your character, defeating the worst of it. Many rumors float about, saying that the Company is "evil" or "full of maniacs", this is simply not the case, the Talon Company just doesn't pass moral judgment on those who would wish to emply Talon Mercenaries, and who needs to bog down good business with morals in the wasteland? Dispite the rumors, Talon Company does in no way practice sixual discrimination, mercenary applicants are accepted from all walks of life if they can prove themselves.
Thanks to the BoS-Enclave War, Talon Company has come into possession of a large amount of Enclave equipment and have captured some researchers, you can bet we shot those fascists! But other than the killing of those that wanted to kill all of your friends and family, the experience has also created a new rank in the Talon Company, an alternative to becoming a Squad Leader, the Talon Company Shocktrooper wears specially customized Talon Company Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 and comes equipped with a Minigun, Gatling Laser, or Heavy Incinerator!
The Talon Company has from then gained strength, called for an end to hostilities with the BoS, and is focusing on fighting the Super Mutants, once again fighting those who would kill your friends, pets, neighbors, and all of your family.
Join Talon Company, it's exciting, worthwhile, enriching (both in experience and monetarily), and the best way to truly broaden your horizon!
Any person who wishes to join Talon Company only has to speak to your local Talon Company representative, from them you can negotiate on the purchase of mercenary contracts, or speak to them about joining Talon Company.
Mako Vlazkov
Talon Company Veteran Mercenary and acting New England Regional Commander
I like them because, at their root, they are what I believe to be the perfect post-nuclear business model, but Bethesda decided, in their infinite wisdom, to take this faction with great potential... and force them into the role of.... generic "bad guy" XP fodder... and it causes me great grief.
*Stands and salutes* (I still think the lack of women is suspicious, im just sayin)
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teeny - Posts: 3423
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:19 pm
@Rook Well, i don't know about THAT overwhelming of a victory, although i do expect victory, Cents and Vets are damn tough, and Primes have pretty good firepower, not as strong as my trusty Type-93 (Vault says that is what is now, it used to be called the Type-87, oh well).
The Chinese ar is pieces of alot of aks put together .46 APC already proved this with a bunch of pics. I thought it was the AK-74 my self
The rpm that Talon company would put out compared to cl would be staggering. As usual cl would be moving target practice.
If there is 100 yards between them Talon Company may not even lose a man. I just gave cl 4 kill in case it was a 50 yard start.
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Craig Martin - Posts: 3395
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:52 pm
*Stands and salutes* (I still think the lack of women is suspicious, im just sayin)
They are rare, but you can find bodies of them in certain places, http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110124082553/fallout/images/8/83/Talon_Company_Group.png I think it is just because they are supposed to be portrayed as "bad guys", feh.
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benjamin corsini - Posts: 3411
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:00 am
I never saw bos make it past the first gun turret. They just sprint into like 25 men with a gun turret shooting them and die very early every on .
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Dona BlackHeart - Posts: 3405
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:30 am
We can make a reasonable guess about Talon Company's equipment using New Vegas though.
They' have combat armor with a DT of 14, back in Fallout 3 they used black combat armor that was slightly inferior to the green model. (which does exist in new vegas). Talon Company tends to use these weapons, using new vegas pool would be Assault Carbine, Marksman Carbines, laser rifles, sniper rifles, and missile launchers. There also known to use Sentry Bots in a couple places. The closest anology to the Chinese Assault Rifle and R91 are the Marksman/Assautl Carbines and the combat shot gun would be equal to or superior to the riot shotgun.
Talon Company aren't bunch of poorly trained NCR troopers. There brutal mercenaries you'd need to be tough just to survive. The Talon Mercs might not have Decanus training but they'd certainly have a range of Recruit to Prime. The Legion would need to send there elite or numbers, Talon Company uses the top end weapons available, and a single missile could blow away and entire squad of legion veterains.
But at the end of the day Caeser would see the blood thirsty greed of Talon Company and either send his might to destroy them... or hire them.
They' have combat armor with a DT of 14, back in Fallout 3 they used black combat armor that was slightly inferior to the green model. (which does exist in new vegas). Talon Company tends to use these weapons, using new vegas pool would be Assault Carbine, Marksman Carbines, laser rifles, sniper rifles, and missile launchers. There also known to use Sentry Bots in a couple places. The closest anology to the Chinese Assault Rifle and R91 are the Marksman/Assautl Carbines and the combat shot gun would be equal to or superior to the riot shotgun.
Talon Company aren't bunch of poorly trained NCR troopers. There brutal mercenaries you'd need to be tough just to survive. The Talon Mercs might not have Decanus training but they'd certainly have a range of Recruit to Prime. The Legion would need to send there elite or numbers, Talon Company uses the top end weapons available, and a single missile could blow away and entire squad of legion veterains.
But at the end of the day Caeser would see the blood thirsty greed of Talon Company and either send his might to destroy them... or hire them.
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Harry Leon - Posts: 3381
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:42 am
They are rare, but you can find bodies of them in certain places, http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110124082553/fallout/images/8/83/Talon_Company_Group.png I think it is just because they are supposed to be portrayed as "bad guys", feh.
Who thought of them as bad guys? If you take "I can t force them to love me" as bad guys. What I saw was a military merc company at work in a highly dangerous places with a shoot first policy.
Nothing really bad about that. They killed everyone that got in their way. I couldn t think for them like I can in fo nv. Talon Company wasn t interested in anything but doing jobs. They kill for money as well. They were a very realistic group of military mercs in a dangerous world with no law. They have their own laws that didn t include you. Shoot first is a great policy in DC.
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Abi Emily - Posts: 3435
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:24 am
Who thought of them as bad guys? If you take "I can t force them to love me" as bad guys. What I saw was a military merc company at work in a highly dangerous places with a shoot first policy.
Nothing really bad about that. They killed everyone that got in their way. I couldn t think for them like I can in fo nv. Talon Company wasn t interested in anything but doing jobs. They kill for money as well. They were a very realistic group of military mercs in a dangerous world with no law. They have their own laws that didn t include you. Shoot first is a great policy in DC.
Nothing really bad about that. They killed everyone that got in their way. I couldn t think for them like I can in fo nv. Talon Company wasn t interested in anything but doing jobs. They kill for money as well. They were a very realistic group of military mercs in a dangerous world with no law. They have their own laws that didn t include you. Shoot first is a great policy in DC.
I don't mind them being somewhat closed, but they don't even have a market, they just attack, you can't hire them, you cant join them, no interaction at all, they are reduced to mere raiders. Must be one hell of a good contract to make them act without a market in the region.
But at the end of the day Caeser would see the blood thirsty greed of Talon Company and either send his might to destroy them... or hire them.
I don't think that'd work, I don't believe Talon Company is too blind with greed to see how bad of an idea that is, I don't think greed is the right word, they are... militarily capitalistic. Furthermore, it would be their "greed" that would make them oppose the Legion, i have gone into this in detail before, but trust me when i say that the Legion is bad for business, and i think Talon Company would recognize it; not to mention the polarity of them both, the reasons that CL hates the NCR are even moreso evident in Talon Company, capitalism, the polarity of this would make them starch enemies, or at least make them extremely wary of eachother..
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Jennifer Munroe - Posts: 3411
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» Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:15 pm
CL fans will not believe that ranged attack beats melee orientated every single time. What the recruit legionaire will throw a spear lol
The cowboy repeaters will need reloaded early and often, and Talon Comany did something cl cant--- Hit what they are shooting at.
Good night cl.
The cowboy repeaters will need reloaded early and often, and Talon Comany did something cl cant--- Hit what they are shooting at.
Good night cl.
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Donald Richards - Posts: 3378
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» Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:23 am
CL fans will not believe that ranged attack beats melee orientated every single time. What the recruit legionaire will throw a spear lol
The cowboy repeaters will need reloaded early and often, and Talon Comany did something cl cant--- Hit what they are shooting at.
Good night cl.
The cowboy repeaters will need reloaded early and often, and Talon Comany did something cl cant--- Hit what they are shooting at.
Good night cl.
I don't know, some of the higher up Legionaries (Prime and up) have some pretty good weapons, while this not as good as TC, they aren't just a bunch of spear throwing tribals, after all, they are successfully warring with the NCR.
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Breautiful - Posts: 3539
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