I'm with this guy. Don't buy it. Don't play it. If enough people share your opinion, the Fallout series dies. Again.

Me, there's some things I'd like to see changed, but overall, it's a solid, enjoyable (and addictive) game. BGS have done a good job.

There's plenty of New Vegas influence here.

More detailed, varied companions with more backstory and personal quests - check.

Multiple factions and organisations to ally with - check.

Emphasis upon building up communities - check.

Weapon modification system - check.

Food / chem crafting system - check.

Does it have everything from Fallout New Vegas? No, it's a different game. But don't pretend it didn't embrace a large number of that game's innovations.

It used to be that simple. Now you take to the internet to make sure as many people as possible know your unhappy. My how times have changed

Don't like it don't play it? Also, F4 is not an FPS.

OP if you actually had any idea what you were talking about you would know there actually is quite a few influences from NV in this game. Try actually playing the game before mindlessly [censored]ing because it's not a clone of your favorite?

I've seen so much childish bickering between two disparate halves of the community, not so much here as everywhere else, that when I see these type of topics I tend to go "here we go again, oh boy" as they tend to result in more fighting and bickering that tends to devolve into pettiness.

I don't favor Bethesda over Obsidian, but neither do I favor Obsidian over Bethesda. They both do their own thing with the franchise and that's cool. You can have games made in the same engine that are so vastly different, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Bethesda do own the rights, so it's their perogative what they do. That's why we have Fallout 4. That's why we even have a New Vegas to compare it to. Thank goodness the property is owned by a company that has shown they're willing to do that. Can't say Obsidian wouldn't, but as New Vegas happens Bethesda has set a precedent.

And all of those of us who love F4 the way it is, wouldn't it be better for the next spinoff Fallout (assuming one happens) is made by developers other than those who brought us F4? I won't want to see "Fallout 4.2 Now Set Somewhere Else", I'd want it to be a complete tonal shift like New Vegas was to Fallout 3. Things like the features Obsidian gave us in New Vegas would help massively in bringing about that tonal shift and making it feel new and fresh, rather than just a mod.

Sure I loved those features. I just don't see Fallout 4 lacking them as any indication they'll never return. The included features really must match the style and vision the individual developer has for that individual iteration. If they don't they could be distracting or a detriment to the overall design plan - no matter how good the idea was in it's own game.

Not quite the same but imagine if Street Fighter adopted Fatalities. It just wouldn't work, even though at their core the two games are both competing takes on the "beat up the other guy" formula. Bethesda Fallout and Obsidian Fallout are their own things too, snd they both thrive best when they're not trying to outdo each other openly, or copycat each others ideas.

It's unfortunate but had Fallout 4 included more NV features the bickering would still be going on, with some complaining that Bethesda is aping Obsidian, or Bethesda ruined Obsidian's idea, or more random but predictable spouts from the divided fanbase I believe is so fractured by now we may as well ignore the issues and just carry on regardless. Can't blame Bethesda for doing that.

I think the two things are unrelated. ESO was started by Zenimax to reinvest all the money they earned on Oblivion.

Obsidian had the right to make one more Fallout game as part of the contract as far as I understand.

Now Bethesda has probably started on TES 6 who will take 3-4 years, think Skyrim after FO3.

They might want to license an 3rd part game based on the Fallout 4 engine based on how much they earned on FO:NV, they don't have to like on FO:NV.

I'd back a Fallout 4.2 any day!

Yes, I kind of agree that I miss all of the beautiful guns from FNV. So far (played 24 hours on PC and 22 on Xbox 1) I am enjoying F4 quite a bit. I don't like to choose sides ... everyone is entitled to their opinion, although I think people are being a little to hard on Fallout 4. It has a lot going for it. After I've played a little longer I might try making a review myself.

Hm you might be right, I don't know much about the reasons for developing TESO.

Although I do think you have Obsidian and Interplay confused. The way I understand it part of the deal between Interplay and Bethesda was that Interplay had the right to create one more game, an MMO. But it would have had to happen within a certain time period. Interplay failed to meet that deadline and thus all rights to future Fallout games, including a potential MMO, were transfered to Bethesda. I believe that's what the whole lawsuit was about. Could be wrong though. Either way I don't think Obsidian had anything to do with it (other than the fact some of the developers used to work for Interplay) and were chosen to develop FNV simply because Bethesda wanted another Fallout game out there between FO3 and FO4, and Obsidian were the right people for the job because they are talented developers and have great affinity for Fallout.

It is easily in my top 3, and I can't wait for a possible sequel either. There are many games to draw on with WW in Paradox's stable, but VtMB would be the blockbuster among PC gamers. Even the modding community is still active on VtMB

They keep the companion perks, witch is very cool.

What were they thinking? Well, they were thinking about money and how to milk it as much as possible while doing as little effort as possible! And they succeded ! Now you have casual ,no brain shooter ,with simplified RPG elements ,terrible RNG dialogs, and boring pathetic main story ( B category movies have better plot).

Loving the game but this is an interesting observation, it does feel less like an RPG and more like just a generic shooter. Mostly because cant hear half the dialogs but yea would def prefer a redux of fallout NV over FO4. There is actually less brought to the table than FO3 and that isnt good, some stuff is new, some replaced, its just like a hodge podge mixed breed mutt of a game that comes off confused kinda maybe?

Love that DJ though! he rocks!

Yeah, I mean it's not like the OP paid good money for the game or anything. Oh wait, he did, didn't he?

I suppose you could argue that he probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place. The trouble with that line is that it can't be applied retroactively. It can be applied going forwards though.

Are you sure letting people vent a little and talk about what they perceive as flaws isn't a better strategy?

Tbh I'm really enjoying the game despite the flaws and looking forward to a second play through once I can mod out/in much of the annoying bits.

The big test will be that I'll play the second time round completely differently. Side with different people, choose different dialogue, fight different etc. If it feels different after that then there's no way you can argue its an FPS. It seems like that's the standard go-to whine of the hour which everyone's jumped on without really thinking it through.

I think this is a tough one overall.

Call me selfish, but I want it all. Fallout 4 is a 'good game', but why have "good enough" when you can have epic.

Hey man I'm a huge fan of NV. I would love it if Obsidian made another Fallout but it just doesn't seem likely. What they did with that game in a year and a half is nothing short of amazing. I'll even defend the setting cause it was cool and different. I think 4 has plenty of RPG elements, new features and inspirations taken from the previous games. I'm not seeing what people are all up in arms about. I'm just a huge Fallout nut, I love it all, but NV is actually possibly my favorite.

Well this is a videogame forum so...posts are generally going to be about complaining, praising or asking for help.

Let me stop you right there. Legion or no Legion NV has better writing. The quality of dialog and quests is not diminished by one faction in a game constructed in a fraction of the amount of time Fallout 4 was.

Such as? I guess you could say "crafting" but what with the trend of next-gen games favoring the sandbox and faux-RPG genres crafting is in pretty much every game these days anyway.

View Pobatti's first post on this page referencing pointless bickering, then view the post above by nussbaum.

This is how the bickering starts and has always started, because folks of a certain opinion are somehow not welcome to voice them, nevermind the trolls and flamebaiters, and the ill informed no no thats how all that garbage flares up and threads get locked.

there in lies the problem wholeheartedly

It's nit-picking.

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As others have said... they didn't ignore everything, and I think it's unrealistic to expect Bethesda to make a Black Isle\Obsidian game. With Fallout 4 Bethesda brought over the elements of New Vegas that they thought would fit within the type of game they do make. One of the most obvious is a main quest where you choose between several major factions - New Vegas was the first game in the Fallout series to do this.

I agree. Bloodlines is in my opinion the best unsung RPG of the last decade, and one of my favorite RPGs overall. Such great writing and role playing... I'd love to see an Obsidian sequel, especially if they hired Chris Avellone and Brian Mitsoda as freelancers. The latter is sadly unlikely, though; since he's in charge of his own studio these days.

Not to mention the two don't exactly have a clean history (cough Alpha Protocol cough) working together.

All I have to say is complaining is for sissy's.