What will we do about Elder Scrolls Online? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:30 am

I think someone has been on the shrooms and whiskey..

Orcs, bretons, redguards - all in one faction?

Argonians, nords, dunmer - all in one faction?

To be honest this is the usual thing I'd expect to come out of MK and Haute's maternity room. :lmao:

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:32 am

I say we all create our own guild.

We can go around preaching to other players how wrong everything is.

This. This I like.

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:20 am

A Dragon Break is what happens when you move like this.

Also, I like the idea of an order of mystics who go around proclaiming that this world is false.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:28 pm

http://imgur.com/a/fO9Ty#5

So, look. Representations have to vary based on the media in which they're presented. TESO isn't going to be what we're used to, but we can still take its raw information and use it to expand the world we see in this forum. The mages guild apparently sends you out looking for 'lore books' (probably stuff we've already read), so there might be some interesting writing in there to help us out. I see this as a good thing, regardless of the fact that I doubt the unpalatable media will be overcome.

By the by, anyone know whether Summerset will be visitable?

You know, check the picture of the plant? monster in that link. I've heard of [censored] Denata, but I think that's the first Anus denata I've ever seen.

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:32 am

It said in the announcement that it takes place 1000 years before the events of TES V, what would that be in in the era notation? Also what is a dragon break?

It would take place around year 500 of the second era, give or take.

A dragon break is a moment when linear time becomes fragmented and people give birth to their own grandfathers, multiple conflicting events happen at the same time and temporal craziness like that.
In my opinion unlikely to ever again be used as a plot device.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:43 am

http://imgur.com/a/fO9Ty#5

It looks like another sickly, generic and tedious fantasy game.

The Dragon Broke and everything become supremely boring.

Agree with the preaching part.

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:20 pm

It said in the announcement that it takes place 1000 years before the events of TES V, what would that be in in the era notation? Also what is a dragon break?

2nd Era, denoted as 2E or CE.

A Dragon Break is a bend in time so severe that an alternate universe is created for unknown reasons. The Dwemer's Dissapearance created a Dragon Break, and so did most of the game endings, most notably Daggerfall (where it manifestefd as an explosion suddenly solving everuy political problem) and Oblivion, where Akatosh himself had to clean things up.

I think TESO's backstory will clear up where time may have diverged. I'm thinking Red Mountain.

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:18 pm

In fact, if the Dunmer milk their position as most powerful and umbrella member of this alliance for all they can get, it goes some way to explaining later hostility between the Dunmer and the other two.

Haven't the Argonians and Dunmer been at each others throats since the first era? The Nords' honor may allow them to set aside animosity for their ancient enemy in times of peril, but what of the Argonians? Just look at Red Year, or really the whole timeline since 4E 1. The Argonians go isolationist and aren't afraid to kick when old enemies are down.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:45 pm

2nd Era, denoted as 2E or CE.

A Dragon Break is a bend in time so severe that an alternate universe is created for unknown reasons. The Dwemer's Dissapearance created a Dragon Break, and so did most of the game endings, most notably Daggerfall (where it manifestefd as an explosion suddenly solving everuy political problem) and Oblivion, where Akatosh himself had to clean things up.

I think TESO's backstory will clear up where time may have diverged. I'm thinking Red Mountain.

Oblivions ending is not a dragonbreak.
It was the manifestation of the avatar of Akatosh, who released from the Alessian pact banished Mehrunes Dagon as the final and closing act of his alliance with the Septims.
Only a few have happened that we know of.

There is the dragonbreak or the middle dawn when quite possibly Akatosh as we know him today was created.

There is the apotheosis of the Triune, where they rewrote time in order to always have been the Dunmer patron deities.

There is the ending of Daggerfall or the Warp in the West that reconciled all Daggerfall's endings by having them all happened at once.

These are the only ones I can think of.

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:12 am

Haven't the Argonians and Dunmer been at each others throats since the first era? The Nords' honor may allow them to set aside animosity for their ancient enemy in times of peril, but what of the Argonians? Just look at Red Year, or really the whole timeline since 4E 1. The Argonians go isolationist and aren't afraid to kick when old enemies are down.

Ive been reading the scans and it says something in there about it being a grudging alliance of neccesity.
The Breton/ Orsimer/ Redguard one is surprisingly described as a democracy.
Now that I find slightly disturbing.

» Fri May 04, 2012 1:49 pm

The Dwemer dissapearing is a Dragon Break too, according to the Khajiit.

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:04 am

The Dwemer dissapearing is a Dragon Break too, according to the Khajiit.

Same event as the apotheosis of the Triune.
Hmm, interesting that the Khajiit have a different perspective.

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:06 pm

I'm pretty sure that Tiber Septim's rise to godhood was also a Dragon Break.

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:13 am

I'm really worried. I can get past the blandness of Oblivion and many of the poor choices in Skyrim, but having to say "hurr, dragon break, durr" about an entire game is just painful. It's one thing to use a break to reconnect loose ends à la Daggerfall, but squeezing in an entire game with completely new alliances, wars and world-spanning events into a space where it doesn't quite fit is just too much.

Humans and Orcs allied? Dunmer and Argonians? What? The retcon nightmare that will follow this game will be of ludicrous proportions.

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:46 am

I'm pretty sure that Tiber Septim's rise to godhood was also a Dragon Break.

I dont know.
I know its mantling, when you walk like them until they must walk like you, but I dont know if this constitutes a dragonbreak.
Was Akatosh tampered with?

I also dont think it will ever be used as a plot device again.

» Fri May 04, 2012 1:11 pm

I'm really worried. I can get past the blandness of Oblivion and many of the poor choices in Skyrim, but having to say "hurr, dragon break, durr" about an entire game is just painful. It's one thing to use a break to reconnect loose ends à la Daggerfall, but squeezing in an entire game with completely new alliances, wars and world-spanning events into a space where it doesn't quite fit is just too much.

Humans and Orcs allied? Dunmer and Argonians? What? The retcon nightmare that will follow this game will be of ludicrous proportions.

Now hold your judgements. We haven't even played yet. And anyway, regardless of whether or not they pull it off, we are equal to the challenge of folding it all in.

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:21 am

"[You will play as] an adventurer whose soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal. This provides a convenient in-fiction rationale for being able to come back from death over and over again."

No it doesn't!!! NO IT DOESN'T!!!!!

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:49 am

I dont know.
I know its mantling, when you walk like them until they must walk like you, but I dont know if this constitutes a dragonbreak.
Was Akatosh tampered with?

I also dont think it will ever be used as a plot device again.

Well not the mantling in itself, but he did achieved CHIM [I think?( I breath in royalty now, for you red legions for I love you.) something like that], at least by The Elk's writing, for what it's worth, in Cyrus blade meeting with TIber Septim, the Emperor mentions that he had to rewrite parts of history itself. So yes, I guess it is debatable.

» Fri May 04, 2012 9:28 am

"[You will play as] an adventurer whose soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal. This provides a convenient in-fiction rationale for being able to come back from death over and over again."

No it doesn't!!! NO IT DOESN'T!!!!!

Clearly, we play as a type of undead, cursed to rise again and again so as to forever suffer Bal's torments.

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:51 pm

Now hold your judgements. We haven't even played yet. And anyway, regardless of how bad it is, we are equal to the challenge.

I haven't judged anything yet, I stated my opinions. I believe they have a good basis, though, seeing as these new alliances seem forced at best (and the Aldmeri Dominion didn't really exist yet). There will be retconning. Lots of it.

» Fri May 04, 2012 7:51 am

The more I read of this thing, the more the lore nerd in me wants to use my keyboard to beat myself into unconsciousness and hopefully some short term memory loss so I can forget this ever happened. I admit the one thing I was looking forward to was seeing Morrowind in the Second Era, but just flipping through the scans...urg. Pardon me while I go fasten a death grip onto my fond memories of Morrowind (the game, that is) instead.

The question is: What kind of lore-friendly justifications can we come up with to make this fit with what we know?

I'm quite fond of the theory that the TES MMO is, obviously, a bad dream of the Mad God Sheogorath, caused by consuming too much cheese. Or perhaps it was clowns. ...No, it was probably cheese.

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:24 pm

I haven't judged anything yet, I stated my opinions. I believe they have a good basis, though, seeing as these new alliances seem forced at best (and the Aldmeri Dominion didn't really exist yet). There will be retconning. Lots of it.

Well for the Dominion at least, the only source that mentions their founding is PGE1 as 2E830 and as for the time of the MMO all we know is that the article said '1000 years before Skyrim', wich would put it at roughly 2E500.
If some leeway is applied to both dates then it is possible.

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:55 am

Also, I like the idea of an order of mystics who go around proclaiming that this world is false.

We need a overly complicated and grandiose name while we squibble on about nothing.

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:41 pm

Well for the Dominion at least, the only source that mentions their founding is PGE1 as 2E830 and as for the time of the MMO all we know is that the article said '1000 years before Skyrim', wich would put it at roughly 2E500.
If some leeway is applied to both dates then it is possible.

In 2E486, the Altmer lose their entire navy and couldn't possibly have the strength to roll in to Valenwood and form the Dominion. 2E572, Morrowind is flooded by Vivec to get rid of the Akaviri. In 2E852, Talos becomes emperor and starts kicking ass.

I guess between 2E650 and 2E750 could work as a timeframe, but making up excuses for all those unlikely alliances in that short time (the beast races were still seen as monsters, right?) seems like a major headache.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:36 pm

In 2E486, the Altmer lose their entire navy and couldn't possibly have the strength to roll in to Valenwood and form the Dominion. 2E572, Morrowind is flooded by Vivec to get rid of the Akaviri. In 2E852, Talos becomes emperor and starts kicking ass.

I guess between 2E650 and 2E750 could work as a timeframe, but making up excuses for all those unlikely alliances in that short time (the beast races were still seen as monsters, right?) seems like a major headache.

True, but not impossible.
I guess I think its interesting to try and find ways to make it fit.

Im not prepared to declare ruined forever just yet.