I want to know everyone's opinion if it will talk about the Main Char of TES4, the events in the other provinces, because it would be fascinating to find out how they dealt with it while the Main CHaracter of TES4 was dealing with the problem in Cyrodiil. Also if the IC ignored the other province's inquiries for help (no doubt they did) with the daedra, as they did with Martin, and if they pulled the imperial armies out of Morrowind, and the chaos that surely insued.

The Infernal City is set about 45 years after Oblivion.

Nobody needs help with Daedra anymore, Mehrunes Dagon and any lesser Daedra who supported him at the time where banished unless summoned from Nirn.

After Oblivion, nobody can find the Coc. However, Seogorath's Worshiper's claim that his voice changed...

i know they were banished, i mean what happened during, like historical views, btw i mean ingame books.

As for ingame books, we wouldn't know that yet, but probably it'll have old ones as well as several new ones about the new Empire and the events of Oblivion. So far the regular book has told about the political situation and state of Argonia before and during the Oblivion Crisis.

The excerpt already has me thinking whether the name Titus Mede has any significance. Mede reminds me of the Persians . . . I'll have to check the origins of the name Titus. Either Bethesda approved the name, or it was their creation in the first place.

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345508010&view=excerpt

For what it's worth, the Titus of our world's Roman Empire was considered a good emperor. I can already see some possible parallels with events in Tamriel. Look at this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus

"Year of Four Emperors" anyone? Hmmm.....

Given the time-jump, I'm hoping for more new things. After all, it seems like we've got something different and we need at least books on the intervening times, books on the crisis, and books from the province's PoV on the intervening times/O-crisis. Add some fiction and the hope that Greg Keyes (no matter the quality of writer, will be a new writer) will be engaged to write some in-game stuff, and the things the books need to anolyze get pretty lengthy already.

Plus, we can get fun propagandist retrospectives of the Third Empire. You know, people saying Tiber Septim was a nut for using the Numidium, etc.

Or how some emperor in 4th era thought that Akatosh statue in IC and its origins is just pro-septim propaganda and demolishes the statue, this way welcoming Mehrunes Dagon to Tamriel

I think though that (as I once wrote in the forums) the statue is probably only a husk. Martin achieved something like apotheosis when he merged with Akatosh, and his spirit probably left the Mundus the same day. I don't think the statue has power by itself.

But symbols are important...

That'll be fun. It's high time people started looking at how unsafe it is to unleash an ancient Dwemer stompyrobot.

I'd also like to see how people talk about things like the Dragon Statue and the Tribunal once the fervor dies down. Tribunal will be dead for 200 years, the new generation of Dunmer may stop fapping every time someone says Vivec and looking at him for real, a few generations of humans will have passed allowing for longer-lived races to twist the story of Martin to suit their needs.

fixed.

Why of course not... :shifty:
;)

Honestly, I am curious to see how time will effect opinions in-game of the things we talk about. Who will think what? will new religions centering around the Dragon Statue pop up? Will the Tribunal Temple do as Vivec asked and have them venerated a Saints and not worshipped as gods? Who knows, but I for one can't wait.

theory: Since all the Tribunal are dead, or trapped in oblivion, the Dunmer will most likely stop worshiping them. if this happens, will Azura lift her curse?

I like it how it was mentioned the argonians of Black Marsh really curb stomped MD's invasion there.

And since it was also mentioned slavry is back, I wonder if MW is back to practicing slavry. What happened to Helseth? Is Dyviath Fyr still alive? What about queen Barenziah? She seemed very old by the time of MW. Will Vivec's Muatra be mentioned somewhere?

WTF??? Where did that come from???

Why do people assume the disappearance or death of an important figure is going to kill of an entire religion? There are some really good counter examples.

That's a good catch on the slavery mention; I didn't think at the time about the significance of it. It could mean that Helseth died in battle or was assassinated, since he was committed to outlawing it in Morrowind near the end of the Third Era. Or maybe slavery is still discouraged in Dres/Hlaalu territory but pockets of it remain, especially in Indoril/Redoran/Telvanni lands.

Or maybe it means that he's still holding the reins, but the political advantages of outlawing slavery have disappeared or are outweighed by the political advantages of keeping it as an institution.
I'm willing to bet Hllaalu's suffering extensively in this climate of nonexistent or severely weakened central authority. They bought a lot of stock in "Empire," and that stock has kind of tanked. True, it's getting rebuilt, but they've got new creditors so to speak, and who's to say they're going to be accepting of old allegiances?

I imagine "Vivec taken by the Daedra".

There was a discussion a while back.

Where does it say slavery is back in the new books? I see only one mention that slavery was practised under the Empire's rule.

Anniag brings it up when she mentions how Prince Attrebus saved a whole bunch of Argonians from slavery. Mere-Glim responds that they knew slavery under the old empire, too, meaning the current enslavement is happening in the post-Septim environment.

I wonder if maybe Morrowind came out of the Oblivion Crisis not much worse off than the Imperials. They still have their natural resources like Ebony and Glass, after all. After (and maybe during) the Oblivion Crisis, Helseth's main concern was probably holding his people together despite the conflict between Redoran/Indoril on the one hand and Dres/Hlaalu on the other.

I think Helseth is like Scotland's Robert the Bruce in some ways -- determined to be king even if he has to make deals with an empire (and kill rivals the way Robert the Bruce did), while at the same time genuinely concerned for his people and managing to keep an empire at arm's length. Helseth's situation at the end of the Oblivion Crisis would be as if England had imploded politically during Robert's reign, freeing him up to unify Scotland (Morrowind) even more. (Not that it did in real life, as far as I know.)

ThatOneGuy made a lot of good points though. I hope we learn more from the two upcoming Keyes novels.

Helseth is definitely much more Machivellian than Robert the Bruce. Bear in mind that Helseth only assumed the throne of Morrowind AFTER he was thwarted in his attempt to take Wayrest's.

For which he underwent physical alteration by rounding his ears, I hear, to make himself more acceptable to humans. That's dedication. I'm reminded of a line I absolutely love:

"Do you possess the sheer fortitude to do that?! We say: No! No! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NOT! AT! ALL!"

I prefer Ted Peterson's explanation that when they were kids, Helseth's sister bit off part of the ear and he had the other trimmed to match it later. This was mentioned in Loranna's RP, so it's not canon, but I don't think the cause has ever been said definitely.

What's the quote from, LN?