[Manuel rivera]

I never liked the Enclave's motives, though I could understand them. President Eden was never a problem anyway, I mean...

PC: "[speech] This has to end, Eden. You need to destroy yourself and your base"
E: "And why would I do that, when I am clearly the best hope for the people of the Wasteland?"
PC: "You can't just decide to take over, and force everyone to follow you."
E: "What alternative would you suggest? Without the Enclave, what would the world do?"
PC: "If you don't stop it now, where will it end? It's up to you to do what's right."
E: "Yes, I suppose it is. Very well, you shall have your wish. Once you have left, I will put an end to the Enclave."

Stop!
No!
STOP!
OK!

I also notice the sentences are not really replies to Eden's questions, they're just sentences thrown there.

Therefore, Eden was not a threat.

[casey macmillan]

I though that the enclave was the only power left that still had a chance to restore "old" humanity back into power. Whle the means to do it was very evil to say the least I think they where thinking of the future, unlike virtually any of the other powers. (Aside from maybe NCR.) The BoS stayed to themselves, Most of the other powers in the wastes where isolated or lacked the tech to make a dent in there evironment. They where dealing with some very big unknowns, about the certainty of the "human race". I think they where going for the " nip the problem in the butt before it get out of control" tactic. It basicly took all there problems both in present and futre and eliminated them in one fell swoop, with not much expendature on there part. They would have to fight long protected wars with the SM, or Raiders, or other powers like NCR, or the BoS. That way they would beable to turn 100% of that tech back to keeping humanity safe, and rebuilding again.

While I do think that they where actually destroyed in the end of FO2 with the oil rig as a "contenental/world power", from the material and manpower they had saved I'm guessing that had plenty of tech hiden away to refertilize the land and regrow the plant and animal life. They just could use it until the land was "made safe". To them mutants are like the xenomorphs in aliens, it was justified in some mutants for sure however they just could risk having the non-violent ones go hostile or spread to "uncontainable" levels.

To make a Star trek Referance, think of tribbles. Would you blink a eye in killing hundreds of them if it ment you could keep you food safe and live on instead of starve? If the Enclave didn't deal with the mutants in some way they would be a drain on there unknown but presumibly limited resources. That had to not only survive day to day but save to the future goal of rebuilding the America they knew and loved again from the radiated wastes.

[Shelby McDonald]

Why should a people who come directly from the age which caused the great war deserve to impose their ancient tyranny upon the new humanity? Surely it's clear by now that the Enclave weren't exactly against the idea of war, their system is the one which helped bring about the first catastrophe, time for a new start as Fallout 2 shows :celebrate:

[Dan Scott]

I never liked the Enclave's motives, though I could understand them. President Eden was never a problem anyway, I mean...



Stop!
No!
STOP!
OK!

I also notice the sentences are not really replies to Eden's questions, they're just sentences thrown there.

Therefore, Eden was not a threat.

Yeah, but the writers = Fail

[CHARLODDE]

Yeah, but the writers = Fail

[Intelligence] So you say that the writers fail?

[Kieren Thomson]

I see some good in what the Enclave wants and to be honest I would rather support them than any other organisation in the wastes. I would join the group but alas I am not American and wouldn't even dream of wishing or pretending to be one.

[Taylor Tifany]

I would join the group but alas I am not American and wouldn't even dream of wishing or pretending to be one.

Thems be fightin' words, boy! No, seriously. Not a good way to word your unjustified dislike of 300 million people.

[Marcin Tomkow]

Thems be fightin' words, boy! No, seriously. Not a good way to word your unjustified dislike of 300 million people.

So if you're not an American then you have to wish you are one?

[Annika Marziniak]

So if you're not an American then you have to wish you are one?

Read what he said. I may just be too paranoid, but I've been able to pick out hidden meanings, lately. He basically says being American is a bad thing, that he would never dream of. It was in a negative context. That's what I was plucking at.

[Rob]

Yeah, it's funny if you actually go through all the intel based dialog, it mostly is just your saying the question back in layman terms. Most of the time you don't even answer there question.

[Thomas LEON]

I see some good in what the Enclave wants and to be honest I would rather support them than any other organisation in the wastes. I would join the group but alas I am not American and wouldn't even dream of wishing or pretending to be one.

Thanks for letting us know about your dislike for America.(Because everyone totally cares)

Though your useless opinion is countered with the first sentence being topic-related. Good Job.

[Sammie LM]

I just dont like the other factions as much as the Enclave. The Enclave is the closest youre going to get with the US government. In fact, the BoS technically doesnt have ties to the US military since they seceded before the group was even established.

[CHangohh BOyy]

Actually, the BoS's Ansestors went traitor shortly before the bombs fell. Murdering the scientists under there protection, when they found out that they where doing human testing on the FEV project they where assigned to guard.

[Haley Merkley]

The events at Mariposa are not so black and white Andaius. The ancestors of the BoS executed a bunch of psycho murdering a-holes who were conducting experiments on people with biological weapons.

Were they justified or not? That's a bit of a morally grey area imo, but I certainly shed no tears for the scientists who were doing atrocities that would make Caligula's ghost cringe.

Nonetheless, the BoS was built by soldiers with the creed of soldiers. Even in the original Fallouts, the BoS isn't half as bad as people make them out to be; their reputation as puppy killers is derived from superstitious people who know nothing about them since they were mainly isolationists at the time. The Enclave however was born from beaurocrats and politicians, reason enough for them to be a plague to anything outside their little organization.

I have no idea who created the Enclave, if it was a specific group within the government or a secret government organization involving the upper tier of the Executive and Legislative branches from the get go. Not that the majority of the government wasn't apecrap insane already anyway... :blink:

But out of all the bungholes within the government at the time, the ones who eventually would found the Enclave were the very worst of ibherently gifted bungholes.

@Expresate: Don't bother with someone like that; besides, he doesn't even realize that he's already pretending to be an american as all Fallout characters were born inside the US anyway.

[Kat Ives]

Who said that only a senator and his family were the survivors?

[Paul Rice]

Ah crap, you're gonna make me look for my source again...ok, I'll try to find it. :facepalm:

I don't recall where I read it only that it described how some Senator had payed under the table to secure the safety of his family and that he was involved in black ops type of dealings, the descendants of this person founded the Enclave or something to that effect. I'll verify my sources again and make any appropriate corrections where I find them.

Edit: Well I can't find where I read this so chalk it up to a bunch of bologny, I'll correct the post to avoid stating that as fact without corroboration...fixed!

[Bad News Rogers]

Because the Enclave way is the only way..

:flamethrower: :prod: :gun:

OK to be serious, its maybe because some time I like returning villains sometimes.

[Mr. Allen]

Its the new trend! Everyones doing it! B)

[Chloe Yarnall]

so everone in this trend gonna feel my hot lead(your thinkin somin sick minded since i said that arent u)
wait im outta bullets brb

[Steve Smith]

I don't recall where I read it only that it described how some Senator had payed under the table to secure the safety of his family and that he was involved in black ops type of dealings, the descendants of this person founded the Enclave or something to that effect. I'll verify my sources again and make any appropriate corrections where I find them.

If you mean Senator http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Todd_Peterson, he was just one of the Enclave members, and not a founding one at that.

[Travis]

So... I support the Enclave because I like the evil guys in games? very interesting...

[Scotties Hottie]

The enclave are funny people, I mean frank horrigan was hilarious. I seriously doubt people really would support a real genocidal faction, but a fake genocidal faction deserves some love. If we don't love the enclave enough then bethesda will replace it with something full of plot holes. 250 years after the bombs dropped the cheese is gonna gets its revenge, Literaly. So you can either love the enclave or mutated cheese.

[DAVId MArtInez]

ITT: People that don't know that America is one of the most hated states in the world.

The enclave are funny people, I mean frank horrigan was hilarious. I seriously doubt people really would support a real genocidal faction, but a fake genocidal faction deserves some love. If we don't love the enclave enough then bethesda will replace it with something full of plot holes. 250 years after the bombs dropped the cheese is gonna gets its revenge, Literaly. So you can either love the enclave or mutated cheese.

[Per] So, basically what you're saying is that the Enclave in Fallout 3 DIDN'T have plot holes?

[maria Dwyer]

the BoS isn't half as bad as people make them out to be; their reputation as puppy killers is derived from superstitious people who know nothing about them since they were mainly isolationists at the time.

Says you.

I still say that they sacrifice puppies.

[des lynam]

The Enclave is just hte government. Nothin special

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