[Rachel Eloise Getoutofmyface]

I've noticed a lot of sigs and comments backing the Enclave here since I started posting again. Was there some kind of massive thread I missed where everyone fell in love with the antagonist? I'm not just saying this because they're the bad guys in two thirds of the series. These guys seem like legitimately terrible people to me. This isn't like the Marvel Civil War or something. I can't empathize with their cause.

What'd I miss?

[Ells]

I don't get it either the Enclave are nothing but genocidal, racist madmen. Thinking evil factions are "cool" is the in-thing these days, I guess.

[Darlene Delk]

The Enclave isn't evil, son. The Enclave is the last best hope for the rebuilding of humanity and the American way of life. Screw Eden though, Colonel Autumn has his act together, aside from shooting your father and all that.

[Emmie Cate]

I think you need to have a talk with Moira.

[Agnieszka Bak]

The Enclave isn't evil, son. The Enclave is the last best hope for the rebuilding of humanity and the American way of life.

What are you talking about? The Enclave's mission is to wipe out all impure humans so that they can build a new "pure" Enclave run world. The Enclave is evil, that was what they were created to be. The Enclave doesn't care about America, all they care about is power. This motivation was established in Fallout 2, and is still present in Fallout 3.

Screw Eden though, Colonel Autumn has his act together, aside from shooting your father and all that.

Colonel Autumn isn't any less evil than Eden, he's worse actually. Autumn is a stereotypical thug who runs around shooting people just because they make him angry. All Autumn cares about is power, if he really wanted what was best for the people then he wouldn't have did the things he did in Fallout 3.

[Tammie Flint]

Colonel Autumn isn't any less evil than Eden, he's worse actually.

Well, I do consider wanting to rule everyone less evil than wanting to kill everyone...

[Lucy]

What are you talking about? The Enclave's mission is to wipe out all impure humans so that they can build a new "pure" Enclave run world. The Enclave is evil, that was what they were created to be. The Enclave doesn't care about America, all they care about is power. This motivation was established in Fallout 2, and is still present in Fallout 3.



Colonel Autumn isn't any less evil than Eden, he's worse actually. Autumn is a stereotypical thug who runs around shooting people just because they make him angry. All Autumn cares about is power, if he really wanted what was best for the people then he wouldn't have did the things he did in Fallout 3.

You sir, are not a patriot.

*wistles* Snuggle-wads!!!! Get him!!!

* A mind controlled deathclaw jumps out of a airborne cage and mutilates you horrifically*

Thats how we do it in the enclave. Aside from genetic compliance tests. Ok snuggle-wads, you can go now.

[Alexander Lee]

Well, I do consider wanting to rule everyone less evil than wanting to kill everyone...

Killing everyone is far more merciful than what Autumn had in mind. You're a Fallout lore God, can you imagine an Enclave-run world?

[candice keenan]

Killing everyone is far more merciful than what Autumn had in mind. You're a Fallout lore God, can you imagine an Enclave-run world?

I think Hitler's version of reality is too-close to Eden's for my comfort level - look at what the FEV Virus would do to the world? Was the Nazi agenda any different?

I think Eden was an incarnation of pure evil, but that without him, the Enclave Soldiers and people were probably level-headed, patriotic and with good intentions.

The parallels are uncanny to me.

M

[Amanda Leis]

It's mostly just a joke to me.

Being overly patriotic is sort of nostalgic for me.. In those days (I think) there was high opposition to the 'cold intimidation' of USSR.

As opposed to today's threat to the US (and the world) is a less obvious one, terrorism. A toast to obvious threats my friend.

*ding*

Nostalgic patriotism, and good feelings (Since they play all those patriotic songs, etc..)

[Lou]

Fallout 3 made the Enclave seem like the bad guys too much, just like the Brotherhood was made to be the "knights in shinning armour". Different perspectives were seen in the previous Fallouts, and im sure we'll see even more in Fallout 4 (!) and New Vegas. Who knows, the Enclave may be the 'Good guys" in another title.

[megan gleeson]

The majority of the Enclave feel like they are doing the right thing. If it wasn't just for power, I'd support the Enclave 100%.

[Mandy Muir]

I don't get it either the Enclave are nothing but genocidal, racist madmen. Thinking evil factions are "cool" is the in-thing these days, I guess.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Genocide is wicked cool, man.

[u gone see]

Fallout 3 made the Enclave seem like the bad guys too much, just like the Brotherhood was made to be the "knights in shinning armour". Different perspectives were seen in the previous Fallouts, and im sure we'll see even more in Fallout 4 (!) and New Vegas. Who knows, the Enclave may be the 'Good guys" in another title.

Yeah, I am a Fallout 3 fan but the black and white view of the Enclave and Brotherhood was pretty shallow, and I hope we see more moral grey in future Bethesda Fallout games... The Brotherhood going rogue in a altruistic way was actually a decent storyline, I thought, and the Outcast Vs. Brotherhood thing was a decent idea, but still on the whole it was way too White Hat/Black Hat indeed.

[Greg Cavaliere]

You're a Fallout lore God, can you imagine an Enclave-run world?

I'd still prefer an Enclave-run world with myself alive than an Enclave-run world with me dead.

[bimsy]

You sir, are not a patriot.

*wistles* Snuggle-wads!!!! Get him!!!

* A mind controlled deathclaw jumps out of a airborne cage and mutilates you horrifically*

Thats how we do it in the enclave. Aside from genetic compliance tests. Ok snuggle-wads, you can go now.

*Or that's what would've happened if I didn't use my Deathclaw mind control scrambler to make it attack you instead.*

[Ashley Campos]

Everyone in the Enclave wears http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPAnts

[Mizz.Jayy]

It mainly started out as a joke, then people started discovering things in Fallout 2 and 3 that made the Enclave seem less evil. If the Enclave were real and we were all in a Post apocalyptic wasteland, most people in the club would stay away from the Enclave(if they acted the same as they did in game). It's sort of just a "We can, so we will" fanclub. Just like any of the others for anything.

[Chantelle Walker]

It mainly started out as a joke, then people started discovering things in Fallout 2 and 3 that made the Enclave seem less evil. If the Enclave were real and we were all in a Post apocalyptic wasteland, most people in the club would stay away from the Enclave(if they acted the same as they did in game). It's sort of just a "We can, so we will" fanclub. Just like any of the others for anything.

Then again, I bet they would not hesitate to kill ya whole club, seeing ya all "mutants" to them.

Fallout 3 made the Enclave seem like the bad guys too much, just like the Brotherhood was made to be the "knights in shinning armour". Different perspectives were seen in the previous Fallouts, and im sure we'll see even more in Fallout 4 (!) and New Vegas. Who knows, the Enclave may be the 'Good guys" in another title.

The Dev screw up the perspective of the Brotherhood. They are not ya "knights in shining armor" or "good guys" in the previous one.

[Dalia]

I think Hitler's version of reality is too-close to Eden's for my comfort level - look at what the FEV Virus would do to the world? Was the Nazi agenda any different?

We're not really allowed to discuss politics here I don't think, but I believe that Nazi Germany was the inspiration for the Enclave. Both factions are very similar in their design and long term goals.

I think Eden was an incarnation of pure evil, but that without him, the Enclave Soldiers and people were probably level-headed, patriotic and with good intentions.

Eden was actually more reasonable than Autumn I thought, you could convince Eden he was wrong and to destroy himself and the remnants of the Enclave. Autumn you could persuade to leave, but he did so grudgingly and there was no guarantee he wouldn't try again.

I'd still prefer an Enclave-run world with myself alive than an Enclave-run world with me dead.

I'd take death over slavery, myself... that's essentially what would happen to those not in the Enclave in Autumn's vision after all. He may have thought genocide was too "extreme", but he doesn't see wastelanders as anything more than tools to be exploited and then discarded when they're no longer of any use.

Fallout 3 made the Enclave seem like the bad guys too much, just like the Brotherhood was made to be the "knights in shinning armour". Different perspectives were seen in the previous Fallouts, and im sure we'll see even more in Fallout 4 (!) and New Vegas. Who knows, the Enclave may be the 'Good guys" in another title.

The Enclave's villainy was pretty clear cut in Fallout 2 as well, Eden was just continuing where President Richardson left off.

You sir, are not a patriot.

*wistles* Snuggle-wads!!!! Get him!!!

* A mind controlled deathclaw jumps out of a airborne cage and mutilates you horrifically*

Thats how we do it in the enclave. Aside from genetic compliance tests. Ok snuggle-wads, you can go now.

Dude, for some reason I totally pictured a giant, maniacal Snuggle Bear instead of a Deathclaw.

[benjamin corsini]

"knights in shinning armor"

Hm, the BOS were (in the previous Fallouts) more like "Neutrals in dusty armor" :hehe:

[Allison C]

Then again, I bet they would not hesitate to kill ya whole club, seeing ya all "mutants" to them.

If the Enclave were real and we were all in a Post apocalyptic wasteland, most people in the club would stay away from the Enclave(if they acted the same as they did in game).

[lacy lake]

The Enclave were http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXwlDWPBnzU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VaJ4eHcV6Q&feature=related in Fallout 2.

Whilst FO1 and 2 had more shades of grey and moral ambiguity, I felt the Enclave were pretty unanimously evil, even in Fallout 2. Of course, in FO2 it was more of a nationalism thing, whilst in FO3 it was just generic evil.

As for the Brotherhood of Steel, they were mostly neutral in the previous games, isolationist at first.

[lucile davignon]

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I like repeating things. Its like some crappy cult where they summon some demon, hoping to get power from it, but only get kill by the very demon they summon.

Hm, the BOS were (in the previous Fallouts) more like "Neutrals in dusty armor" :hehe:

They want to kill off the Vault Dweller because he/she was bothering them in the beginning.

[SiLa]

Different perspectives were seen in the previous Fallouts, and im sure we'll see even more in Fallout 4 (!) and New Vegas. Who knows, the Enclave may be the 'Good guys" in another title.

Hopefully, they won't appear in future games. Same for the BoS.