I only saw one other topic on this but seriously, nearly all reviewing things for players like metacritic (although I know these people are pretty bad) and steam have given this game pretty much below average reviews with metacritic averaging like 4.7 and while most steam reviews are positive, the reviews that everyone consider actually accurate or "helpful" are like numbering in the hundreds out of the few thousand reviews it has.(honestly, go to the steam reviews and scroll down, the first 70 or so under most helpful are all universally negative) I am by no means just a brainwashed, follow to the end fan of Fallout or Bethesda, if you check my profile you can see me making posts awhile back giving my two cents on or even criticizing some design choices I didn't like, (Perfect time to say Rest In Pickles repair and hardcoe mode, I knew it was going to happen on the inside. :'( ) but by no means is this THAT bad of a game.

Most of the bad reviews granted are mainly based on the game crashing or other technical issues which is essentially a Bethesda trademark at this point, so yeah understandable, hit not recommended for now like most people would. But, there are still a whole lot of people with a working game criticizing the few parts of the game that I actually thought they did MASSIVE improvements on, namely combat.

I really don't see where they are getting this from. To me combat in Fallout 3 + NV was really... robotic for lack of a better word. AI had no thoughts or feelings at all, they never sought cover or really used any tactics at all with each other, and there was really never a reason for you yourself to use any sort of tactics, especially when you could just spam VATS nearly all the freaking time and enemies couldn't counterplay it at all. So fights essentially consisted of a group of people in the middle of the open just shooting each other till one side loses enough guns to lose the fight. In FO4 though, it addresses all of these issues. Enemies coordinate better and can blind fire from cover, weapons are much more creative and you have many more options in combat, and finally you can't use VATS as a constant crutch in combat due to it's changes, and this is just a really short list of some the improvements they've made. Not to mention most of those very reviews said the game became to much like a modern first person shooter which if nothing else, always has some very thought out and satisfying gun play. So which is it? Bad combat, or to modern FPS like? There is no way in hell that it can be both, IMHO.

Also, not to mention the new crafting system and customization on nearly EVERYTHING. Layered armor system, (I do have some beef with the fact that so far only the vault suit has actually been able to put on "layers," for instance I have this really balling drifter suit but you can't put on leather or metal pieces on it like the vault suit which really irks me, I hope they change this.) super in depth weapon customization, and finally settlement building and power armor customization. I love how some people are saying that the settlement building was really rushed, when it was one of the very first things that demonstrated, it may not be perfect, but hey they've never done this before in a Fallout game, they did what they could, and did it pretty darn well.

And finally, people are saying that this game doesn't have any of the old Fallout games charms or similarities. Well, I mean what was the year difference between Fallout 2 and 3 that completely and utterly changed the gameplay forever? About 10 years. What was the difference between Fallout 3 and 4? (not counting NV because it literally borrowed all assets from FO3) About 7, only 3 years less. So yeah, some big differences are expected.

And I cannot for the life of me understand why people are saying the Witcher 3 is better in every sense. I couldn't understand how to control the combat in that game, it was really awkward, especially fights inside buildings. I also hate games that force you down one path of playing, it was even more linear than FO4, (which was the biggest complaint of FO4 for most of these people!) lack of replayability, and need to know the source material to really understand most of the world and why people are the way they are, and finally, massive game breaking bugs that were very subtle. At least FO's bugs were blatant and obvious, not secret like a quest you never knew was bugged finally becoming obvious when you try and finish it, and that quest was crucial to beat the game and reloading doesn't help. In my truly honest opinion, Witcher 3 not only shared many of the issues people are complaining about in FO4, but it's issues were much more serious and nefarious than FO's. Not to mention it had more of them. At least that's what I noticed

Right now my main beef with the game would have to be the basic streamlining and to much simplifying for newcomers:

No repair or hardcoe (yes, I bring this up nearly every post, deal with it)

Removal of many RPG elements, and yes I must admit it does feel very casualized in that sense, and perks don't carry the same weight alone as both skills and perks did. They should have both next time.

*Very minor early game spoiler, but it was shown in like 3 trailers so like not really, I just don't want the mods to get mad at me.* Power armor and minigun in first 2 hours or so. I get it, it's limited by fuel and it shouldn't be that late game, but seriously? Level 2 Power armor to help kill a deathclaw? With a minigun? Shake Mah Head.

IMO the map seems pretty small, but I must admit I haven't gotten all that far. I just notice that the distance traveled compared to actual time spent traveling seems a bit too quick.

And finally the generic characters and story seem pretty cliche and shallow, but they did better this time i'll give them that.

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I don't really understand the hate, especially since most of those people probably haven't gotten past level freaking 10. It's been out for one day... On a work day... How fast did you guys rush it? I spent like a hour in the character creation alone. I think I've clocked in roughly 5 hours and I haven't even reached Concord or level 3. (I'm a pretty thorough guy)

Hating games on internet forums appears to be "the done thing". No idea why.

Removal of repair and item degrad is a bit of a bummer though.

HUD looks like crap, it doesnt even fit in the corners. Its as if the people who made the HUD just gave up and went home, haha. Its also the most generic hud ever its literally just lines, there is no style, no creativity, nothing. Its horrid to look at. and worse is everyone sees it since the HUD is right there floating out there towards the middle of the screen.

I still maintain that degradation could've worked very well, especially with the new crafting system. Yes, you shouldn't have to carry an entire copy of the weapon to repair it, (one of my first mods for FO3 was to let scrap metal and other junk be able to repair) but yeah, lots of potential, not much follow up.

Anyway, I've done more than enough posts on repair, talking about the game as a whole now.

Ok.....

That's the HUD.

Not the entire rest of the 400+ hours of game play waiting to be played. Actually it's a pretty minor concern.

Also I must admit I got it for the PS4, so none of these technical issues have shown up for me.

BUT HEAR ME OUT! I always get the base game on consoles first, then when the ultimate edition comes out on a massive sale on steam I buy it on computer and deck the crap out of it like it was meant to be played.

Also, when on the console you can give a just review on the game play without having your opinion affected by the technical issues.

I love that I don't have to repair my weapons anymore

I'd understand if we would have to clean them from time to time, but having to repair them with other weapons each 10 minutes, to keep them at 100% was so annoying in the old games

not to mention when you got some very rare armor and had to pay 5000+ caps to repair it each hour, because there were not enough copies of it, to get it repaired :/

and even if some people don't like it... it's still such a minor feature in a huge game...

the developers spent several years to create this immense world :/

it's just beyong me how people are punishing that amount of work and rather want to see more 8-10 hour games

do you really all want to see games like Fallout vanish in the future and be replaced by casual online shooters? :/

I don't feel like any game deserves the 9,5+ score if not Fallout... it's just way too detailed and huge to deserve any hate

Dunno if this game took years to make, looking at the HUD which everyone sees first making it more important it looks like it was made in 5 minutes. Maybe this game was made and took a few months but it doesnt seem like it would take years to make. Many games have huds that take a few hours to make the whole game shown at competitions and those HUD's fit in the corners.

>HUD doesnt fit in corners

>HUD is literally just lines showing zero development

I always thought it added a touch of realism to the game, and also gave you reason to collect discarded loot.

But yes, there is the odd time I thought maybe the deg rate could have been slowed down somewhat.

The HUD in Bethesda games has always been my only complaint.

I hate the compass. In TES it makes absolutely no sense, but at least it can be somewhat justified in FO.

Why Bethesda refuses to allow various parts of the HUD to be moved or removed is beyond me.

ENOUGH WITH THE HUD!

That may be a constant detail, but it's not that major of an issue. Yes, I can see how it may be very annoying, but I also noticed no one else on earth has brought it up, even reviews completely slamming the game. So I'm kind of inclined to believe that its maybe either just your computer or other technical issue that you personally are experiencing. I tried to stress that raw gameplay is what I really want to hear people talk about, not technical issues. Yes, technical issues can ruin a game. BUT, they are by no means intentional, and don't have much affect on the actual way the story and game pans out.

I guess they were working on important things, rather than on the HUD

it does it's job and doesn't disturb me at all

I'd rather enjoy the actual game, than looking at things like the HUD all the time :/

mods will polish it in the future, but for now it's fine and nothing terrible

Still installing the game, didnt play yet, HUD feedback is from screenshots and seeing youtube videos over past few months. Thought it was like a place holder or alpha but it really looks like that, just a series of lines that arent even tucked in corners. Was surprised at launch to see screenshots of the released game with the same looking crappy HUD that didnt even fit in corners, thought they would have fixed that before release since its the most visible thing in game since its always there on every screen.

Maybe if we could turn off the HUD or if it fit in the corners everyone wouldnt be hating it so much? It just looks outdated like its made for 4:3 monitors from the old days, its flat out broken for all widescreen users which are the majority per user stats.

Wow.

That just makes your issue even less impactful than it already was.

That can literally be like Youtube filtering or bad screenshots or some other crap that's screwing with your perspective of the HUD. Like I said, I haven't any issues with the console version, and I don't see any one else talking about it.

Regardless even if it's true the worst it can be is a minor annoyance that can easily be fixed in the near future, and it is probably one of the smallest issues you can bring up.

Do you think a mod can fix the hud so it fits in the corners? Will FO4 have mods, the game has been out almost a day and still no creation set. Curious if there ever been mods for bethesda games that stylize or move the HUD? Worried that if to many people refund Fallout 4 due to the HUD and other things that there wont be enough money for them to update the game in the future leaving it to modders?

Yes, I do think a mod can VERY easily fix that, there are freaking mods that add a multiplayer in Skyrim.

Yes, the creation kit isn't coming out in a day, I don't know if you missed the memo but it's sadly coming out months from now.

Beth will always have enough money to continue improvements, there not an indie studio, and no people are going to refund it because of the HUD alone.

I also just noticed that your picture is of Fargoth and I can't tell if your joking around and trying to be funny (which you kinda are) or serious.

Either way I'm done talking about the HUD for today lol.

People always complain when the traditional formula is deviated from in these long-running legacy series with huge fanbases, even in the smallest or simplest of ways. Like in this very thread you have someone zeroing in on the HUD being too ugly.

Any and all complaints about the combat are almost certainly because it's too hard, not because it's poorly designed. It's actually far better than the previous two games. But most players equate difficult with bad. The same way that a student who fails a course will almost always give the instructor a poor review, regardless of how well the instructor actually taught the class.

Just to be sure, are there mods for skyrim that alter the look of the HUD? This would be good news! Sorry if it breaks moratorium on HUD discussion but very interested in this.

No creation kit for months? Is that normal? Not a bad thing at all, but what if we dont get it due to lack of funds? Wolfenstein games sadly got no creation kit maybe also due to not enough sales?

I have to say this actually makes a lot of sense.

Yes, just type in Hud at the Skyrim nexus and you should see several mods that say like "less intrusive HUD" and stuff like that, they try and improve it in many ways. EXAMPLE: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/35154/?

I personally don't know for the delay of the creation kit, maybe their tweaking it or something, idk.

And funds really have nothing to do if weather it comes out or not. I can guarantee we will eventually get the creation kit, because if they don't, there goes 3/4 of the fanbase. Many Beth players hate the actual base games, and rely almost solely on modding to make it better. Remove the mod tool, remove the game essentally.

No offense, but are you new to these types of games? I know you have that pic of morrowind in your profile, but I mean these are some pretty basic things that most seasoned people should know about.

A shame we probably won't get a DarnUI for Fallout 4. He did some amazing work.

A mod for huds, whew. Thats amazing, thank you, thank you! Very glad that it is possible to play the game in the future with a better HUD. Sad we have to wait months to see if the game is updated with a creation kit release. How do we know there will be a creation kit for a fact? Because Morrowind had no money to be updated on PC so it never got anything not even controller support on PC. Hoping that doesnt happen with FO4 that it doesnt sell enough to get updates so we can fix the HUD.

Well, I do know there are several thousand mods for Morrowind and it has it's very own nexus, so while it may not have gotten controller support, it definitely got mod support. Like I said a whole crap load of these people play the games for the mods. If they weren't to re add mods, then yeah a lot of people will actually probably refund and many people will not support the game, ruining it more than if they just bit the bullet and added it.

Remove the mods, and the game, nay, the entire series of these games are pretty ****ing dead.

Morrowind never got controller support because it was never for consoles except the Xbox but after the PC version was already built. At that time, 2001, there were very few, if any, people who had any sort of Xbox style or game style controller hooked to a PC. It was pointless. Even now I only use my controller for racing games and driving/flying in GTAV.

dunno if it would die without mods? Wolfenstein had no mods and its still popular with gamers? Preordered old blood day of release because its just that awesome!

oh yeah, i remember now.