What's with the skimpy armor? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:04 am

Anyone of you see history channel or something like that? the "barbaric" enemies of the rome empire (queen boudica for example), haved warriors that fighted completely naked, so if that is a "barbaric" armor, its completly right

and damn the guy just up to me posted the same a few seconds earlier T_T

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:51 pm

Hell some of the Gaels, Picts and Brythons of scotland even fought in battle completely naked.

And that's how the Romans conquered the known world. :tongue:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:00 am

Look at all the examples of armor so far, what do you see?
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I see armor thats extremely skimpy and that's not covering much. The armor on Dovahkiin doesn't even cover his back, and the one on the khajiit only covers one of his arms and just a small section of his chest. Last time I checked armor is worn for protection, not just looks. Skyrim is also a cold place to live so why is everyone running around like there going to go swimming at the local beach on a hot summer day? I actually HATE the look of the armor. I'm a history buff and the two things that I can't stand is armor that's either over the top, with random stuff jutting out of it, or armor thats basically a frying pan on a string. I hope they have more realistic armor in addition to this stuff. I'll still like the game if the armor looks like this, but I'm going to have a hard time ignoring the fact that swords are being deflected off my body by one cooking pot and a whole lot of air.

I generally tend to agree. It would be nice to see things like actual ring mail, chain mail, brigandine, etc. Not to mention full plate harness. The only game I've ever seen done with realistic armor is that Demon Souls or whatever it's called. However, having said that, some warriors in history, notably the celts, sometimes went into battle naked. Heh. I think armor like they have in this game and like many games is meant to invoke that classic fantasy art armor or lack there of, like Frazetta, or Vjello.

I'd also like to add that I hate armor that covers the ribs and leaves the belly exposed or in the case of women, briast cupped armor that in real armor is almost never done because it would disperse the energy of a blow very well, and put a lot of that energy into the center of the woman's sternum, which would either kill or terribly bruise said warrior, heh. And giant useless pauldrons, or the good ol' solid steel mantle that wouldn't allow raising the arms to even shoulder height (kind of like Darth Vaders shoulder mantle of black plastic, heh)

I'll deal with it though. Look at the armor in Dragon Age! WTF is with those tassets? Ludicrous designs for much of it. Heh. All well. Would be nice to see designers on games like this do some homework, but can't have everything I guess. Hell Hollywood is no better.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:36 am

And that's how the Romans conquered the known world. :tongue:

I hope that ":P" does truly signify that that was a complete joke. If it's not you've just lost all legitimacy.

The romans conquered everything because they were a highly aggressive, well coordinated and militaristic state with highly developed and efficient battle formations like the phallanx. Lest we also [censored] forget that the roman soldiers were field troops, not freelance adventurers which would explain their quality of armor (which, incidentally was also quite lightweight and "skimpy," just like the screen-shots)

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:22 pm

Indeed no, the romans were slaught years after by that people, and the romans dont win for the lack of armor of the enemies in first place, was because they dont fight with almost no strategy, and the romans were masters in that, and have just awesome formations

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:22 am

I hope that ":P" does truly signify that that was a complete joke. If it's not you've just lost all legitimacy.

The romans conquered everything because they were a highly aggressive, well coordinated and militaristic state with highly developed and efficient battle formations like the phallanx. Lest we also [censored] forget that the roman soldiers were field troops, not freelance adventurers which would explain their quality of armor (which, incidentally was also quite lightweight and "skimpy," just like the screen-shots)

Of course it was a joke, their enemies fighting style certainly helped though. Phallanx, done by Romans? I think you mean the Greeks or Macedonians.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:40 am

Of course it was a joke, their enemies fighting style certainly helped though. Phallanx, done by Romans? I think you mean the Greeks or Macedonians.

The Romans also used it but seased it later on when other better tactics were developed. Though come to think of it they probably didn't even need to use it against northern European tribes because they weren't on the same plane of strategy in the slightest.

I'd imagine that Celtic (and similarly Viking) tactics consisted mostly of running at their opponents into close combat and hacking them to bits or pounding them into pudding. Needless to say that wouldn't' work against shielded and layered roman formations

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:00 pm

I didn't notice. I was too busy noticing how the art style blows that of previous games out of the water (in my opinion, of course).

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:04 pm

Of course it was a joke, their enemies fighting style certainly helped though. Phallanx, done by Romans? I think you mean the Greeks or Macedonians.

In Rome's early days their soldiers fought in phalanx formations just like the Greeks and Macedonians. That is, until they fought the Celts and Iberians. They adapted and learned from the barbarians, the gladius is an Iberian weapon. Often times the legions would modify their armor to give them specific advantages or protections from the weapons commonly used by their enemies. Most of the barbarians they fought had no armor.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:38 am

Beth wants to show off there new character models, if every pic the pc was in full armor they could not do that.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:24 am

And that's how the Romans conquered the known world. :tongue:

BS to that germanic tribes fought naked and they destroyed 1 tenth of the Roman army in 1 battle, more people actually joined the fight halfway though than died, in fact it was such a devastating blow that the current military leader went insane

and their nakedness is kinda why they won, they were more agile in battle, but the romans were used to fighting people completely armored, they were surprised by the guerrilla warfare

Hooray for history channel

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:27 am

BS to that germanic tribes fought naked and they destroyed 1 tenth of the Roman army in 1 battle, more people actually joined the fight halfway though than died, in fact it was such a devastating blow that the current military leader went insane

and their nakedness is kinda why they won, they were more agile in battle, but the romans were used to fighting people completely armored, they were surprised by the guerrilla warfare

Hooray for history channel

Are you talking about thee battle of the Teutoburg forest? They won that because they unleashed a devastating ambush not because they were naked. Of course the Romans were scared of the Berserkers you usually were naked, so I guess it did help with fear factor.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:10 pm

It's metal armor. Too much in Skyrim's climate and you'd freeze to death. That said, clothes underneath the armor would be preferable...

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:57 am

Are you talking about thee battle of the Teutoburg forest? They won that because they unleashed a devastating ambush not because they were naked. Of course the Romans were scared of the Berserkers you usually were naked, so I guess it did help with fear factor.

yeh I am pretty sure that was it, it was a surprise attack but they still wern't used to guerrilla warfare, so during that march they were easily picked out

but before that there were several smaller battles where the tibes were sucessful

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:51 am

General Varus lost three legions in The Battle of Teutoburg Forest. He committed suicide when he saw the battle was lost. The Romans never directly controlled northeast Germany.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:17 am

yeh I am pretty sure that was it, it was a surprise attack but they still wern't used to guerrilla warfare, so during that march they were easily picked out

but before that there were several smaller battles where the tibes were sucessful

The Germans were good at guerrilla warfare, but the biggest reason they succeed in surviving the Roman invasion was that they actually worked together. The Gauls and Celts didn't gang up on the Romans until it was to late.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:39 am

So basically, this thread is simply about the EXISTENCE of "skimpy" armor in the game... well deal with it, it WILL exist. just as in the real world, people like different things, and different things exist. Nothing's forcing you to wear it though

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:59 pm

I'm not the only one who expected an over the top feminist view on the female "thief armor" artwork when I opened this thread am I. Ah well.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:02 pm

Anyone of you see history channel or something like that? the "barbaric" enemies of the rome empire (queen boudica for example), haved warriors that fighted completely naked, so if that is a "barbaric" armor, its completly right

and damn the guy just up to me posted the same a few seconds earlier T_T

Hope you don't go by the history channel for all traces of knowledge.

All depends what perspective your reading barbaric from. For the most part the whole bearded idiot caveman things is our own imagination for entertainments sake.

I'm going to discuss in a slight off topic direction. Africa and the Middle Eastern region held the worlds first civilizations and great kingdoms when Europeans were still tribals and Western Europe's gem, Italy still hadn't risen influenced from African and Middle Eastern advances and then made their own(Of coarse a lot of undo credit that was stolen for many things is still taken by Italy and Westen Europe in general. Although Italy by itself has greatly influenced the world with their Own advances. America is a prime example.)

Point being even being the less developed "barbarians" seems Europeans, or specifically Western Europeans have really kept on top in the last few centuries in terms of world stage ,not related to social advancements or anything. Of coarse this is due in part that they all had their individual knowledge on fighting or agriculture, etc. And their lack thereof.

As far as armor and what the tribals wear, their tactics, strength. Varies region from region. I imagine even with minimal protection some armies in history have still been able to demolish their better protected enemies.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:32 am

i see a clunky square cut bow. hope its a placeholder.

im hopeing that armor can be layered and they are just showing us the outer layers as not to give anything away

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:12 am

I looove every single piece of armor I've seen so far and I hope they don't change a thing. Can I just say that?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:06 am

I don't think the guy is trying hard to use protective armour. Pauldrons to protect his fighting wrists from damage, slight protection elswhere (the single pauldron is obviously just a style thing), and generally unobtrusice armour so he can move about quickly and easily without worrying about things like the armour weight.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:17 am

Look at all the examples of armor so far, what do you see?
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http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/93394/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/images/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110415033047799.html?page=mediaFull
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/93394/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/images/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110211094558377.html?page=mediaFull

I see armor thats extremely skimpy and that's not covering much. The armor on Dovahkiin doesn't even cover his back, and the one on the khajiit only covers one of his arms and just a small section of his chest. Last time I checked armor is worn for protection, not just looks. Skyrim is also a cold place to live so why is everyone running around like there going to go swimming at the local beach on a hot summer day? I actually HATE the look of the armor. I'm a history buff and the two things that I can't stand is armor that's either over the top, with random stuff jutting out of it, or armor thats basically a frying pan on a string. I hope they have more realistic armor in addition to this stuff. I'll still like the game if the armor looks like this, but I'm going to have a hard time ignoring the fact that swords are being deflected off my body by one cooking pot and a whole lot of air.

Don't worry. They are only showing us light armour so they can showcase their new race looks/body customization. Also, the guys wearing skimpy armour, are a Nord and a Khajiit. Nords naturally resist cold and Khajiit have a layer of fur. There have also been a couple pics of heavier armour and they look nice. Hopefully that puts your fears to rest.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:10 am

More please <3

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:29 am

http://therumpus.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/conan-1.jpg swrongwitdat?