Interesting. Thanks. I don't suppose we could get a confirmation from the devs? No? Ah, well.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/470146
Ah, Gears of War, what a silly over macho design it had. Yes, even many men found the characterisations distasteful - I guess the mirror of it would be like targeting a game at the teenage female demographic, but have all the protagonists as the equally ridiculous "dangerously thin and airheaded" supermodel stereotype.

I'll agree with that, insofar we're talking aesthetics : generic representations of men and women end up quite boring. Hard to relate to *that*. Seems more attention is paid to that, I dunno - of course, better visual tech helps : I mean, the new Lara Croft, for instance, she does have some personality ; pretty yet very obviously tough.

Beyond that, idealization ? No problem with it. Beer bellies can keep away. But you gotta have some variety and originality to make it work.

This.

If I want to play someone like me then I play real life.
This game called 'real life' has great graphics and physics btw. Even cloth and hair physics!

Wouldn't bother me much, my favorite character to play in FFXIII was Lightning and don't forget Valkyrie profile. I have no quarrel with being forced to play a female if it fits the game but that really isn't an issue on the table seeing as how every TES game (don't add in the adventures) have had a choice of what gender of which of the ten races you want to play and Skyrim is no different.

I agree. i want to see some ladies rockin a sword or something. but you should worry, women will be in the game

I was wondering when are they gonna show us teh skooma!

Where did it say cloth and hair physics? I must have missed that article.

As for the topic at hand, well, I would like to see a few more examples. In Oblivion, and especially Morrowind, I felt like the female characters got the short end of the stick.

Whatever the case may be in reality (and in the games that mimic it more closely), you don't have to put up with it in a heroic fantasy setting. Girls can and frequently do kick behind in anything resembling this genre (I refer you to my avatar; she can beat up most guys anyone), with no limitations due to gender; and if their appearances are often idealised, that's at least something that applies equally to male heroes.

Please, do elaborate.

Any links to certified official word would be much appreciated, I am sure.

I meant the game named 'real life'.
I'll edit my post to be more clear

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My apologies, Squire.

I am keen to be on the aggressive with a huge front foot, stepping into the shot, and timing the ball nicely...feeling it zip away to the boundary... :woot:

Sometimes thats just the way it turns out. In most games I dont have to "imagine" anything. Feeling ostracized is not unique to women. Like I said there are PLENTY of people in our society that are CONSTANTLY brushed over. Ignored.

Im not saying this to be rude, but you ought to consider that there are minorities who are marginalized far worse than yourself. One of the reasons being is because they are minorities in either society, or their respective interests. If you're one of those minorities I speak of, then you should know that sometimes that's just the way things go. Unless females all of a sudden take a greater interest in games like this, then this trend will continue.

BGS has promised the ability to play as a female. They have shown you several females. They have never taken a "sixist" approach in the series and women have always had the same amount of detail put in. And remember that there are people besides you who have not seen ANYONE that resembles them in Skyrim as of yet. I dont see them complaining about a dearth of pictures.


What more do you want? You have it good

I am lazy. Please, someone link me to the statement/indication that cloth physics are in.

I don't suppose you could provide a quote? Because I haven't seen anything in the screenshots or the trailer that resembles cloth physics. They all still look plastered to the legs and such.

I think mainly I should not post past midnight. :lmao: I obviously become confused, as a few minutes of searching proves.

You and Walex getting my hopes up that I had missed something...

:brokencomputer:

You deserve to be shot.

That was totally accidental, but I gotta admit, it's kind of fun messing with people's hopes like that, if only for two minutes. :huh:

I wish Rockstar and other companies, like Activision, would learn from the approach of adding gender choice and allowing the player the choice while still offering a good story for their games. So many development studios could do with learning that.
A good story can still be told, as long as you have the imagination to tell it while adapting it to a male or a female character with small differences. Many complained about fallout 3's story, yet I thought Fallout 3's story was really good.

It wasn't about some alien invasion or fanatics or whatever, it was a story that looked at something that is very important - survival while looking for your only remaining parent. The pure water angle was a wonderful addition after the first part of the story was complete, because water is very important for life. It doesn't matter how many weapons you have, or how much money or whatever, without food and water even the mightest army can be defeated through hunger and thrist alone.
That's what I liked about Fallout 3's story, not only did it work well the most with the female choice - the black widow perk helped a lot since there were more male NPC's than female ones - but it had a more emotional aspect than it did with the male. When I played Fallout 3 four times over, and always with a female lead since the male one felt wrong, I found that the game had a more emotional feel to it with the female character because she was looking for her only living relative in a hostile wasteland.

Add to that how the game began, by being born, it added something very rich that the haters couldn't grasp, that the game wasn't about waving guns around and killing everything that moved, that was just one part of the game, but that it was about life in this hostile land.
And the water part of the story only added to that, you had a choice with it - do you help with providing fresh, pure water to a land that is dying, or do you make things even worse? It wasn't about good adn evil, hero versus villian, it was about choices, feelings in regards to those choices.

With a female lead that worked wonderfully, it felt much more involving for me due to how much I actually cared about helping the survivours have a better future than they expected.

I hope Skyrim's story will be as emotionally involving as Fallout 3's was, that it isn't just about fighting some great evil, but about your actions and choices along the way that can either lead to a hopeful future, or a future where there is no hope.
And even more than the female choice really does make a difference in regards of those actions.

I guess we have to watch the shadows now. Mitheledh and Nokiacrazi will surely wait for us somewhere where we don't expect it. xD

You DO realize that most minorities also have female members . . . so excluding females is like a double whammy for female minorities.

Over the past decade, females have taken a MUCH greater interest in games in general . . . including TES games. When I first joined these forums back in in 2002 (before Morrowind had been released), I was one of the few female members. That is no longer true. According to statistics, females mow make up 40% of all gamers. (Some of us even make mods for these game.)


And we've all stated that we appreciate the fact the Bethesda has included us.

Bethesda does seem to display a boys-club mindset. In the Races section of Oblivion's game manual, every single race is represented by a male. In the class-selection portion of the game itself, every single class is represented by a male. I hope Skyrim offers a better-balanced presentation.

not the op. she accused them of sixism.

point is she was wrong. she started a fuss over nothing. dont you get it NOTHING!!!!

this thread shoud be closed. girls are in the game. nuff said.