even though I know it will be quite a while until the next Elder Scrolls game, I am worried about the fact of the Civil War in skyrim...

They are going to have to canonize one side being the victor of the Civil War..

if they say the Imperials won, the Stormcloak supporters will be upset...
if they say the Stormcloaks won, Imperial Supports will be upset..

as such, I think Bethesda may have wrote themselves into a corner..


Anyone have any ideas around this?

Either they're going all lolthalmor attack on Windhelm/Solitude, or the peace treaty will be canon.

I believe in the 2nd game they made all 6 different endings canon.

But if I believe correctly, if you do the main story line without doing the legion/stormcloaks missions, you can get them to declare a peace treaty.

I don't think either choice is really any different than canon also having the Champion of Cyrodiil technically be the heads of all the different guilds, when my character never touched the Fighter's, Thieves Guilds or Dark Brotherhood.

As a supporter of the Imperial Legion, I won't be upset if the official timeline has Skyrim lost to the rebels.

One possibility: Warp in the North. Dragon break causes EVERYTHING to happen.

There are other possibilities floating around as well as I'm sure others will point out. Basically, Bethesda will find an ambiguous way.

It'll be interesting to see.

I have a bad feeling that something so terrible is going to happen that it will make people forget about the Civil war or any events that went on in Skyrim.

Or they can put it a far off land and so many years down the line that no one remembers or cares what happen so some people in the snow.

Akaviri!

Obviously, Valdar will fail due to the Dragon break and Hevnoraak will finally awake in his apex. He will then liberate Skyrim of the modern day savages and re-institute the Dragon cult.

Many bardic tales sing about the unstoppable http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/541833502826729260/A9DBC5F0B10771A245697D94DCAE0090BC32541C/ rising from the dead, shouting Stormcloaks and Imperial Legionnaires to shreds. Merciful Hevnoraak, taking the throne and ushering forth an era of posterity and a new golden age for Nordic culture.

TBH.. It makes no difference to me what the make canon. I haven't even started the CW questline, in all the characters I have played. No matter. Each one is a different character with a different personality and different goals. Some may be supportive of the Empire while others support the Stormcloaks.

My point is... if all of my characters are so unique, then why should I show favor over whatever they make canon?

In the next game the Skyrim civil war was an minor war long ago, do we care about the outcome of the Franco-Prussian War in 1870? WW1 and WW2 canceled out the outcome of this war anyway.

10-20 year after the war we fought is an new war who is the important one. All everybody remember about the first is the dragons.

And yes this is a problem with player choices with huge impact. Imagine making an followup to Fallout New Vegas in the same area.

Skyrim is about defeating Alduin, not about some minor civil war. So why mention it in the next game at all? You don't see any information in Oblivion or Skyrim about which House the player joined in Morrowind.

But this is probably more realistic.

Oblivion doesn't much deal with the aftermath of Morrowind, and Skyrim doesn't much deal with the aftermath of Oblivion, outside of a small reference here or there mostly as an Easter egg.

TES 6 won't much deal with the aftermath of Skyrim, I'm sure, as it will be set in an entirely different province.

Well for what it's worth, a Civil War for control of a nation and whether to secede or remain a part of the Empire is a bit bigger of a deal than which House a player joined.

But I agree, the Civil War won't be made a big deal of in the next game.

Hence why the peace treaty will obviously be canon.

*10 minutes later*

you can't really compare the Houses in Morrowind to a large scale war caused by one of the larger provinces taking up arms against the empire while seeking independence.

and it really would have to be mentioned somewhere, as the Political states of all provinces are important to lore.

Why not? The provinces been fighting for independence a lot of times for many centuries. That's what the game http://www.elderscrolls.com/redguard is about too, fighting the Empire and free Hammerfell, which you do and have a happy ending. But as we know from the later TES games, that victory was just a fleeting moment and soon they became a part of the Empire anyway. In the end the whole Redguard game is just a minor unimportant bump in the overall history of Tamriel. I don't see the civil war in any different light either, it's just very unimportant for the future generations in Tamriel.

Am I as a Swedish citizen deeply affected by some people who started a rebellion and tried to fight the Swedish king 600 years ago? No, I don't really care about those events at all and they have no importance of my everyday life. Not to mention the next game will be in some other province, so do a person in Greece care about some rebellion in Sweden 600 years ago?

What's the deal with Hevnoraak?

Empire will probably fall, but they won't mention the CW.

Well it did sort of foreshadow the separation of Hammerfell 575 years later after the Great War.

He's just mad at Valdar!

I am the last best hope for these savage Nords of today.

And I have an army.

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The Thalmor take over and forces mortal man into slavery. The next game will probably begin with you imprisoned by the Thalmor and escaping, which would make some freaking sense for once.

just because you don't care does not mean it is not important.

Human History is full of facts, events, and deeds that to the average man do not seem important, but they helped shape the world, both border wise and political-wise.


if you have ever taken a University history course ( I have ), you will realize that, after the provinces started being able to successfully fight back against the massive armies of the Roman Empire, it was basically the end of the Roman Empire (as we knew it anyway, as the Byzantine empire was basically the remnants of the roman empire..).

So yes, the outcome of the Civil War will be very important, as it could pretty much decide the fate of the empires future.
If the empire wins, most of the provinces will remain under their control.
if the Stormcloaks win, most other provinces will realize the Empire can be beaten, and likely rise up and take down the empire while gaining Independence for each province.

and as the Empire has always played a very crucial role in the Elder Scrolls series, yes who won the civil war will be very important..


Unless of course they throw us all into Akavir...