What would Fallout NV be categorized as? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:17 pm

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 aren't directly related either. They just both tell the story for the same basic area at different times. Fallout 3 tells the story of another area, it isn't just a spin off and it's obviously canon.

So, the numbers move around a bit I guess. Fallout: New Vegas isn't anymore of a spin off than Fallout 2.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:15 am

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 aren't directly related either.

Yes they are.

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:28 pm

What does saying developers should care about their fans have to do with Fallout 3?

It's not what you say that matters, but more how you say it. That's what led me to believe you don't like it.

...and now back on topic.

@ UnDeCafIndeed: I don't see Beth teaming up either, but it could be interesting it it were to happen. I'm also curious to know just what sort of changes, and to what level they are willing to go to with these changes. Sadly, Bethesda will never be able to please every fan. there will always be a group of fans that won't be happy no matter what you change.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:16 am

Yes they are.

They both tell a different story, with different protagonists, different antagonists, different settlements, etcetera. Where they're related is a similar system, setting, and lore. If Fallout 3 had gone with Van Buren's template, it still wouldn't have been a proper trilogy for example.

Nice one liner defense by the way.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:58 am

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 aren't directly related either. They just both tell the story for the same basic area at different times. Fallout 3 tells the story of another area, it isn't just a spin off and it's obviously canon.

So, the numbers move around a bit I guess. Fallout: New Vegas isn't anymore of a spin off than Fallout 2.

In Fallout 2, the Elder is [~~the wife (or perhaps just mate)~~ *correction: daughter] of the FO1 vault dweller, and whatever PC you make is her child.

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:53 pm

What about BoS or Enclave? I'm a dike.

What does this mean????? What are you asking here????? Try to use a sentence when asking a question, because I have no idea what your question is here.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:58 am

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 aren't directly related either.

Pffffft. You have a picture of The Master from Fallout, you should know then that Fallout and Fallout 2 are inexplicably bound to each other.

1. The Vault Dweller is the ancestor of The Chosen One.
2. Canonized events in Fallout shaped the future of Fallout 2's world.
3. Various factions are tied up to events from TVD's travels.

I know I've skipped on some other points I'm sure someone else will mention.

Anyway, as I see it, F and F2 share the same storyline, but Fallouts with numbers are about the USA as a whole. So IMO, it makes sense 3 portrays another part of the USA aside from California.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:14 am

In Fallout 2, the Elder is the wife (or perhaps just mate) of the FO1 vault dweller, and whatever PC you make is her child.

She's his daughter...

And goddammit, I know they're bound together. They're just not exactly direct sequels. I'm just trying to say that Fallout 3 and New Vegas are just as much a part of the series now as Fallout 1 and 2.

EDIT: I agree with the last part of your post as well.

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:18 pm

In Fallout 2, the Elder is the wife (or perhaps just mate) of the FO1 vault dweller, and whatever PC you make is her child.

Actually, the Village Elder is the VD's daughter, making you his grandson/daughter. :teehee:

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:50 am

Aw, crap. Really?

OK, since my wonderful invention of using fuscia colored text to denote when one is being facetious, (...) I hereby propose the use of orange text when stating opinion, so that things we say can not be misconstrued by the toneless text of the internetz.

I suggest this color be called "Flame", and the action of using it be called "Flamebaiting". Observe: Fallout 3 was a better game than Fallout 2.

:D

The player has every right to pick and choose what they consider canon. Does that make it official?

Check out http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/canon The words "axiomatic" and "universally" are the important ones.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:08 am

@ UnDeCafIndeed: ... Sadly, Bethesda will never be able to please every fan. there will always be a group of fans that won't be happy no matter what you change.

True. But they can get closer to the optimal situation. Actually, that's pretty much all they can. But they can do it. I'd rather give Beth credit with a genuine feel that credit is due, and see other people like me do that too among the criticism we give. Most people are not asking for unreasonable things as a compromise to produce at least somewhat similiar amount of satisfaction for both groups. But anyways, we'll see how it goes in the end - and up until that point, the forums won't likely change.

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:11 pm

It is more of a direct sequal to Fallout 2 than Fallout 3, i consider Fallout New Vegas to be "3" and Fallout 3 to be more of a spin-off.

This. Its not a fact just an opinion and I agree with Mako.

My opinion is that the only sequal in Fallout is Fallout 2.

Sequel: .n. 1 a book, film, or programme that continues the story of an earlier one. 2 something that takes place after or as a result of an earlier event. -ORIGNIN Latin sequella.

Fallout 3 is not a sequel to Fallout 3. It comes after Fallout 2 but New Vegas comes after Fallout 3 and New Vegas is not a sequel to Fallout 3. Just because someone slapped 3 beside Fallout does not make it a sequal.

Really why does it matter? :blink:

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:37 pm

WOW... I had never even known that there was an all out war between people who thought FO3 was a direct sequel and Fallout NV was a spin off, or that Fallout NV was a direct sequel and that FO3 was a spin off. In that case, I would have never posted my question. I just wanted to get a feel for the story of what NV was exactly, since I have no knowledge of the storylines in the first and second game.... Hey, here's something we can all agree on Fallout Brotherhood of Steel, and Fallout Tactics were spin offs. :biggrin:

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:47 am

She's his daughter...

Actually, the Village Elder is the VD's daughter, making you his grandson/daughter. :teehee:

That makes more sense. :goodjob:

WOW... I had never even known that there was an all out war between people who thought FO3 was a direct sequel and Fallout NV was a spin off, or that Fallout NV was a direct sequel and that FO3 was a spin off.

Since before it shipped.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:17 am

WOW... I had never even known that there was an all out war between people who thought FO3 was a direct sequel and Fallout NV was a spin off, or that Fallout NV was a direct sequel and that FO3 was a spin off. In that case, I would have never posted my question. I just wanted to get a feel for the story of what NV was exactly, since I have no knowledge of the storylines in the first and second game.... Hey, here's something we can all agree on Fallout Brotherhood of Steel, and Fallout Tactics were spin offs. :biggrin:

Welcome to the Forum. There is an issue with fans of the Originals and Fans of Fallout 3. Stick around it will grow old fast lol.

Brotherhood of Steel is something many don't like to talk about. Its also known around these parts as "The Burned Game." Not considered Canon. Tactics is a spin off, takes place between Fallout and Fallout 2 but Bethesda considers the High-Level Events of Fallout Tactics Canon.

I ask again why does it matter?

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:26 am

Nice one liner defense by the way.

Thank you.

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:14 pm

Yeeeaaaaahhhhhhh! :disguise:

:spotted owl:

I use that term endearingly.....most of the time.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:22 am

Some of us personally want destruction in a Post Apocalyptic world though. :tongue:

Its really a matter of preference, neither one is right or wrong.

+1.
Go browse some websites that gave reviews for FO3 after it came out.
One of the bigger compliments you'll hear is on the scenery.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:44 am

Can someone tell me why it matters if something is a sequal or a spin-off?

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:41 am

What does this mean????? What are you asking here????? Try to use a sentence when asking a question, because I have no idea what your question is here.

You kinda explained why the Enclave was in FO3 and I was wondering what bethesda's reason was for adding in these other original factions

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:51 am

I use that term endearingly.....most of the time.

Ok, I believe you.

Endearingness seems to be "the thing" here, as you're not the first person I've seen using it as a coverup.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:35 am

Can someone tell me why it matters if something is a sequal or a spin-off?

Nobodies really arguing over that. That's so 2009.

» Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:30 pm

Nobodies really arguing over that. That's so 2009.

Then what is the point of this topic?

Just to trade thinly veiled insults between the Fallout fan bases?

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:35 am

Can someone tell me why it matters if something is a sequal or a spin-off?

It doesn't really matter at all.

I think the problem comes into play when people somehow equate "spin-off" with "less of a Fallout game", and that idea is simply untrue. I have no problem calling Fallout 3 a spin off and I don't think calling New Vegas a "spin-off" should be incorrect either.

Whether it is called a "sequel" or a "spin-off" has no reflection on its status as a Fallout game nor on the canonicity of its storyline.

» Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:47 am

snip

Agreed :foodndrink:

I agree because my judgement of a game does not come from it being a sequel or a spin-off.