It's not really a direct sequel to the fallout series, but it's not really a spin off either. It seems to be in a gray area of te franchise. What would it be considered?

It is more of a direct sequal to Fallout 2 than Fallout 3, i consider Fallout New Vegas to be "3" and Fallout 3 to be more of a spin-off.

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I'm not even sure most of Fallout 3 should be considered canon either

I would've never expected you to say something like that. Ever.
How do you expect people to fairly look at your posts when they know that you speak with such bias?

Fallout 3 is Fallout 3. Fallout New Vegas is not. (And if we really wanna push the issue, we could say NV wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for FO3..)
It's time to accept it and move on.

Well events happened in Fallout 3 before New Vegas. I think you could call New Vegas number 4 if you go with the timeframe. Maybe they won't be calling any future Fallout by a number. Maybe just stick with location, like Fallout: New New York or Fallout: The Commonwealth.

"Such bias?" I wasnt saying that it was a fact, it was my opinion, NV is more of a direct sequal, Fallout 3 has near nothing to do with the previous games story-wise, so i consider it more of a spin off, that doesnt mean i dislike it. In fact, i could comment in your bias, you seem to want to compeltely hack away the roots of the series! But i wouldnt say such a thing, i dont go to extremes unless it is an object example.

This discussion annoys me. Anything with the properly licensed "Fallout" brand on it is canon. It is not people's private fictional universe where we can each decide which parts of it "counted", discarding the parts we felt were sub standard as not being "worthy" of the franchise. If it wasn't canon, it wouldn't bear the official, legal, properly licensed, Fallout brand. Get over it.

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Fallout 3 is Fallout 3. Fallout: New Vegas is really more of a "Fallout 3: New Vegas", being a similar game built on the same technology, but Fallout 3 itself didn't get a subtitle so that would be confusing. Not that sowing confusion has ever stopped the gaming industry from doing what it wants to do.

("Hey let's design a game called "Mechwarrior", even though the previous game in the franchise was "Mechwarrior 4", and despite the fact that we already made a game called "Mechwarrior", sans numeral, in 1989")

Leave it at that. We are already branded as "Bethesda bashers" by her. :wink_smile:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Bethesda decides what is and is not canon, not you or me or any other member here. Whether we like it or not is not the issue, the issue is that fallout 3 IS canon now, it's time to get over the hatred of it. Move on already.

Accepting Fallout 3 as canon is like me eating a poop sandwich, but I already accepted it, meaning that I ate a poop sandwich (not really). It broke lore on way too many places too be taken seriously. Why can't people understand? We don't hate Fallout 3, we hate the way it destroyed canon and lore.

I consider Fallout New Vegas to be Fallout 3, as it is a direct sequel to Fallout 2. Fallout 3 is more of a spin off with a "3" next to it.

The game that should not be named is not canon.

I agree that it has more to do with the original 2 games than Fallout 3 does, and is more of a sequel to those games than Fallout 3 is. But I don't care if it is considered a spin-off or an actual sequel, it's a solid Fallout game, that's all I care about.

Bethesda are the ones making the decisions on that now. Since it was named fallout 3, and not Fallout: The Abomination, then by all means that is a sequel. Fallout: New Vegas is not a sequel, but a spinoff, it's time to either accept that fallout 3 is canon, or move on to something else. There's been enough complaining by a few die hard fans that Bethesda has totally ruined their beloved franchise. I for one am tired of hearing it, It's as ridiculous as the Morrowind vs. Oblivion threads.

Fallout is in Bethesda's hands now, accept it or move on to another series if you don't like it.

When I have I ever said anything that would imply that I would "hack away the root of the series?"

Never.
I'm simply saying that there are posters here who jump out at every freaking opportunity to run FO3 through the mud as if they have some sort of weird odd personal fixation with it and it 's getting beyond tiring.
Modding needs to crack down on this- and I'm included in this too- that people need to make sure it's known that there opinions are known as opinions and not passed off as "subtle attack" fact, and just give up straight suspensions for the kind of trolling the poster below you did.
It's tiring, and as you can tell by this thread, I'm not the only one tired of it.

Accepting Fallout 3 as canon is like me eating a poop sandwich

See what I mean?
We have people here who might need actual mental help....if something like that bothers you so much, you might just have some real emotional issues..

Aw, crap. Really?

OK, since my wonderful invention of using fuscia colored text to denote when one is being facetious, ie: I think all Fallout games are lousy, that's why I post here so much, or as we call it here, being fuscitious, I hereby propose the use of orange text when stating opinion, so that things we say can not be misconstrued by the toneless text of the internetz. Such as: I can't believe that a bunch of people that prefer to play more intelligent games such as RPGs over less intellectually challenging games such as shooters have such a problem maturely discussing their opinions on a forum whereby the common denominator between us all is our affection/appreciation for Fallout games. That's my orange opinion.

-Gunny out.

Fallout 3 IS canon, if you don't like that then tough, really. I hope we leave all this Van Buren nonsense behind now and get a sequel to FO3.

I would Categorize Fallout New Vegas as Fallout 3.5. It's a spinoff from Fallout 3 but it's also in between Fallout 4.

Can't we all just get along?

But..but I want more Van Buren nonsense.

The way I see it, unless the day happens where Bethesda no longer owns the rights to the franchise and somebody else does and they decide to make F03 non-cannon then it shall continue to be cannon. Whoever owns the rights to the franchise ultimately makes the rules on what is or isn't. Even if some of the stuff makes no sense (like the return of the enclave in F3) then is for the moment at least cannon.

But in the end like PeterF said, can't we all just get along? Please?

I'd say Fallout: New Vegas is a direct sequal to the story of Fallout and Fallout 2, IE it shows how the West is going along. Fallout 3 is the direct series sequal, but at the same time, it establishes a new chapter of Canon, IE The East Coast. So Fallout 3 is the sequal, and F:NV is a sequal within a sequal :laugh:

I never though that I'd live to see the day that I would actually agree with you on something :whistling:

Seriously though, this is quite possibly this best post so far.

Well, the only game I don't like is the game I dubbed 'The Burned game'. But beyond that, I like the other Fallouts. IMO Fallout 3 is just as Fallout as the Interplay developed ones. So I have a pretty unbiased and neutral view on the over all series.

Yep. One thing to note is this is a growing oppurtunity that Bethesda was shown the ropes with New Vegas.

Let's face it, some details of 3 will be skipped in 4.

Much of the mistakes Bethesda made centered around Fallout being a really new direction for their work along wirh it being their 2nd fully voiced game ever.

Plus I'm sure the budget wasn'tt as big as it could of been because of the franchise uncertainty.

Again let's face it, distinguished as it may be Fallout has been piss poor in sales numbers before 3 then New Vegas.

A lot about 3 can be put on Bethesda's influence from traditional fantasy RPGs along with their role of reintroducing the franchise to mostly a new crowd, meaning not you or me but your neighbor whose never played FO1 and 2 and tried Tactics. (And them mashing up bits and pieces from 1 and 2.)

Fallout 3 is a canon Fallout Numbered Sequel.

New Vegas could be considered a direct sequel to 2. Although I have no idea what makes it "direct." Of coarse much about it is basically a Van Buren imprint, confined to a city and large outer desert area.

Either way their both canon.

However, Bethesda has the official and final direct say over what games or details are canon.

Bugs or not this isn't a Tactics. I'm confident Beth will count much of New Vegas as canon.

This.

Well said Colonel. :foodndrink:



Bethesda as owner of the francise decides that, and since they made the game, it is 100% canon.

You can pretend its not I suppose, I don't really see the point though.

Bethesda does NOT decide what is and is not canon solely based on the fact they own the rights to Fallout now.

If Bethesda added in magic and elves to the Fallout series would you consider it canon? I would certainly hope not.

Fans, devs, and publishers all play a role in the determination of whether or not a game in a series can be counted as canon. Do not think however, that just because you own the rights to a game you can change whatever you want and it can still be canon.

I'll agree to the notion that perhaps Fallout 3 is canon for the East Coast but essentially it's nothing more than Bethesda throwing around the Brotherhood of Steel and the Enclave as fanservice.