After reading through http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1036524 thread in the TES forums about what would make people not want to buy TESV, I thought it would be a good idea to start a similar thread about Fallout 4.

"What would be the one absolute reason for you to NOT get Fallout 4?

However before saying something, you should consider, is that reason REALLY that big that it couldn't be overlooked, put aside, ignored OR accepted under certain conditions?"

For me not to wait outside of Gamestop for days before Fallout 4's release, let alone not buy it, Bethesda would have to royally, royally screw up. They would have to strip the game of all RPG elements, toss any story out the window, make the setting full of trees, grass and bunny rabbits, and make the map 1 sq. mile in size. Those are the only reasons I wouldn't buy it. But even then... I might rent it.

Thats what they almost did for FO3 didn't they? Anyway I won't get FO4 is they futher simplify anything. If they don't make better effort to put in C&C. Futher lore breaches, them releasing retarded DLC's that break the game or have nothing to do with the FO Setting over actually improving the game. You get the Idea. So for me they are on very thin ice.

Nothing would stop me from getting Fallout 4.

That's where they'd lose me.

Yeah, that's what they did with the first two things he mentioned.

And there were loads of trees....dead!

I have to admit, recapturing the magic of the original Fallout games and staying true to the series more than a decade after their release is a monumental task. I don't think Bethesda quite succeeded, though I do believe they did as well as could be expected of them, and certainly better than I expected. I still prefer the original games in many ways... I've replayed the originals many times over the years (played them both again a few months ago), but I've had no desire to replay Fallout 3 since finishing one play-through, nor to bother with the DLCs. Perhaps that will change in the future.

Also, the plastic clock I got with the Survival Edition broke two days after I got it, just like everyone else's. Outsourcing to Asia for the win!

Anyway, what would absolutely ensure that I don't bother with Fallout 4 is if the Enclave is part of the game again at all (aside from lore cameos), or if the Brotherhood of Steel is a major story element. Bottom line, if either of things are part of the next Fallout game, I will wash my hands of the series for good. Bethesda needs to break new ground and give us something original, exciting and mysterious within the Fallout universe, and plus, I'm tired of seeing the Brotherhood's lore butchered by Bethesda to suit their purposes.

The first Fallout had the Master's Army and the Brotherhood of Steel, the second had the Enclave and... well, basically just the Chosen One, but with a lot more to do in between, and only small cameos for remnants of the Master's Army and the Brotherhood of Steel.

Mystery is important; it's part of the magic of the series. I don't want to walk out of the vault knowing pretty much what to expect for the rest of the game. It was excusable to re-use the Enclave and Brotherhood in Fallout 3, since it's a Fallout for a new generation of gamers, but I won't tolerate it as a trend where, in every new Fallout game, we choose our favorite football team: "GO ENCLAVE!" "RA RA BROTHERHOOD!"

I wouldn't bother with Fallout 4 if it's as glitchy as Fallout 3... I honestly encounter a new annoying glitch every time I play that game.

If it's similar to Fallout 3. Engine, graphics, bugs.
Game was fun, but in comparison to games besides the older Fallouts, it wasn't that good.

If it lost the free-roaming and rpg aspects, then I wouldn't buy it. Regular FPS-games holds no interest whatsoever for me.

SSSSTRRRIIIKEE ONE.

Simple if they make the good evil choices biased, anything and I mean ANYTHING like mothership zeta, if I have any more BoS BS, if the enclave return and they are just like fallout 3 (let me join them or dont put them in the game) and stimpacks and ammo need reductions, being god makes fallout boring.

If it centers around stopping the evil Enclave with the help of the Holy BoS.

Karma.

If you're implying that the Fallout 3 karma ruined it for you, then you have something there. In FO3 it was straight out good and evil and restricted some of the things you could do in ridiculous ways.

Correction: I'd probably buy it, but I never liked Karma. Even in KotOR.

If I don't buy a game, it's because I don't like its genre or setting. As long as it keeps me amused, I'll get it.

This. So, for me not to buy it, they either would have to make it Sims, or be located in the aliens homeworld


Actually, i would buy it if it was located in the alien homeworld.

they just got to not release the dlc in september. all they got to do

I would buy it no matter what even if I hear it svcks.
I would on the other hand return it and never buy another fallout game that comes from bethesda if they put in fantasy creatures or they don't sharpen up on the lore.
So basicly, don't mess around with the lore, don't create(Things that don't really fit into the lore) crap weapons(Tesla Cannon), armor(Hei Guei), perks(Almost Perfect), lore(Aliens...), etc, put more focus in quests, don't create alot of creatures to make the game "fresh".
Fallout don't need a lot of creatures, it isn't about them, it's about the factions, towns, war between humans.

Edit: I know that Bethesda own's it and they can do whatever they want with it. It would just be sad if they messed up a fictional universe with so much depth.
It's like taking a good piece of art(a painting) and changing it becuse you feel a little green would suit nice in the right upper corner.

lol well be adding killer fairies in the next fall out

Well said. :thumbsup: Failout 3 was too much.

I'm the exact opposite... If I don't like the game mechanics, the setting and lore is moot, and won't save it.
(And on the flip side, if the game mechanics rock :rock:, then the setting could be snails and frogs in a pond ~or anything else at all).

Good for you. But, I must add to my previous post, my limit regarding the setting, talking about Fallout 4, would be if the setting was completely absurd and illogical even when compared to the LSD-like original Fallout canon. What that would be, would likely be.. Well, I don't really know. I can hardly imagine what wouldn't fit a post-apocalyptic game which came from the heads of random American dudes. But MZ was pushing it, maybe a bit too far, but Bethesda said the whole DLC was more of a joke than a serious DLC.

Not in this decade
(and not likely the next)

Such a view limits me to enjoying only a few of the games every few years.

Well your dreams are coming true with FO:NW. According to anti-Bethesda camp, that would keep you busy for the next 10 years. But we'll see. I'd be extremely amused if FO:NW was as "bad" as FO3.

Somehow I have never heard of it.

Lately I'm just waiting for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2KqKfuHL4w to ship.
(and pondering a FO3 TC mega-mod )

The ~Only~ thing that would prevent me from buying (at least the foreseeable) FO4... is if my opinion of what makes a sequel does not change during development. As it is, I see enough modding potential in FO3 to forgo buying FO4 if its merely a refinement of FO3.



@Below: DRM is a big issue as well, but like I did with FO3, I might build a toy system to run the new game (as I've done when I wished to play starforce infected titles).