I still don't get where you're coming from with the art style thing, look at the brother from my previous post, his character model is really detailed, with physics-affected tassels and stuff - it's well made, just with a different art style. Look at TF2, it has cartoony graphics but no one would argue that it doesn't look great.

With the storyline, you can't compare it to movies or books, because game designers have a lot more to worry about: they can't have half an hour of people talking about the monster like you would in a movie, because it'd be no fun. Look at stuff like Metal Gear Solid, the cutscenes are stunningly dreary. Fable also makes up for a mediocre story by having incredibly entertaining characters: look at Reaver, for example, one of the most memorable characters in any videogame ever, and the interactions between all the characters are great, largely helped by Lionhead hiring a brilliant cast.


That's because it is cartoonish - Oblivion aims for realism, trips up and falls into the uncanny valley - I simply can not see how you think it looks better

Hire famous actor > Give evil, leading character > Recieve praise from fans.

Done and done.

Hire famous actor > give him one crappy, five minute role at the beginning of the game then kill him off > boring character

Disagreehttp://www.arts-wallpapers.com/desktop_wallpapers/games/game_hd/Fable3/imagepages/image2.htm

http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/screenshots/pes/2647420.jpg

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/18305-1-1253116200.jpg

Besides TES doesn't need an amazing MQ (apparently neither does Fable...) due to the number of sidequests (which are decent and make sense quite unlike Fable...). And what are you talking about hte gameplay, OBs was good and IMO Fable is too simple and basic.

Well the only screenshot you presented was showcasing Oblivion's terrible facegen. The rest of the game looks 100x better, that's a rather biased argument.

I understand you rpefer Fable's and I admit it OB's faces are currently a 6/10 maybe...but I simply dislike Fable's art style, and I don't think OB fails at realism, check the screenshots I posted.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdDk9H-ozGWPrytCoZ2UlRrWxJn6ZSacod56yOy0-55oMwKKM0

Getting a good screenshot of Aurora or Mistpeak is hard so will have to look. But oblivions graphics wree bad. And mods dont count, if someone had the skills they could make anything look great, so no point to that.

TES sidequests make no sense, especially when I can become master of the fighter/dark/thives/mages/arena guilds. And other are like "find my potatoes" or some crap.

Oblivion gameplay was bad, exploration was bad, swordfighting was dull, stealth was either going terrible for you or making things too easy, magic was just bad.
Exploration made up the majority of oblivion, and so did combat, both svcked, gameplay svcked. If you enjoyed the boring combat as you walked from copy past dungeon #43 to copy paste ruing 17# then ou need to play more games. You cant honestly say the combat was good, atleast they are fixing it in skyrim, no holding to block and perks.

I dont even know why you bring up graphics, like graphics ? Pointless exploration ? If so check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89XaPUYszfs

i Have not liked the gameplay in Oblivion or in fable 3 (or 2 for that matter) but Oblivion makes up for it for being awesome and having tons of stuff to do.

Fable TLC was one of my favourite games, it wasnt perfect, but it was really cool.

If they would stop dumbing things down, maybe, maybe, the fable games would still be good today.

Couldn't agree more Ratslayer, I found Oblivion hugely dull.

I'm not saying Fable 3 is the best game ever, but it gets so much hate just because Molyneux tries new things - not all of them work, but at least it's not generic space fps #179

I get the impression you're one of those OB addicts :rolleyes:

Besides you're trying to make OB look terrible when it beats Fable in basically every aspect.

Graphics were great, have no idea where you're gettting the bad from...especially considering it's a 2006 game. Fable III came out months ago and IMO it still looks worse than OB, and when compared with other open world games like RDR Fable is terrible (I wonder why it's hard to get a good pic of Aurora).

Gameplay is waay too basic in Fable III...it feels like an action game (not a great one) when OBs was good, sure it has flaws but way better than Fable's. Much more diverse and interesting.

World size it's bigger and exploration is good (better in FO3 for example though).

Some quests may be dull but some are also great (the Ultimate Heist and Whodunnit? for example) something that IMO Fable just doesn't have...

Please don't make graphics less important than they are...FC2 is good but why are you comparing an FPS against an amazing RPG like OB? Or are you posting that video cause you can't get a decent pic of Aurora :rolleyes: Look I like Fable, but I LOOOOVE TES, especially OB. If you love Fable great for you, I'll stick with TES :shrug:

The voice acting is just about the only thing I'd say was interesting about any of the characters, at least in Fable II. They were forgettable. I only remember Reaver because of that abomination they called an ending. There are plenty of games with minimal scenes and a good story. Metal Gear Solid games have by no means set the bar for writing in a video game, but even the most boring of scenes in any of the MGS titles was more interesting than Fable II in its entirety. The pacing alone in that game was enough to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Just awful.

The heist was dull imo, only a few quests were good, most DB ones. But considering oblivion boasts hundreds of quests, thats quite a pathetic thing.
Yes quests in fable 3 and 2 were crap, but considering most of oblivions were, it dosent make it much better, especially when most time will bespent walking around the copy pasted ruins.


You brought graphics up...
I am comparing them because you brought up graphics, yes FC2 is an fps, still open world, still beats oblivion at graphics. And I can compare them, oblivion is an open bland world with nothing of interest and enemies everywhere and boring combat, farcry 2 is aswell. Only looks better. Point is graphics dont matter and an open world is pontless with nothing to do in it, if you done belive me play some minecraft and do nothing but walk, its very open, very dull.

Seriously *sigh*...1st I was being ironic by saying you were an OB addict since you obviously don't like it at all.

About RDR, just like you compared OB to FC2 I can compare Fable III to RDR...it's open world, world size is bigger than Fable III and has a very realistic and unique setting (plus AI, combat, animations...basically a 10/10, guess that's why it won so many awards...).

You say locations, story and graphics are better in Fable III, IMO OB is better in all of those :shrug:

Gameplay is enjoyable in OB to me...I can play how I want to and the critics you made about everyone running to your location once they see you is because of the AI itself, if this was fixed the gameplay itself would be a lot better. IMO Fable's is not interesting...I'll say it again, too simple, stripped down and ultimately boring.

As I said I find OBs world a lot more interesting than Fable's and largely prefer it...I find exploration great if you try a bit and RP (something I can't properly do in Fable IMO, atleast to the extent I do in OB :shrug:).

Both games have a large number of crappy quests, OBs more cause it has a lot more quests but then again it also has a greater number of good quests IMO.

Besides I was talking about graphics because it was already brought up before, saying Fable looks great which I disagreee.

I loved Fable because of its whimsical nature and the colourful world. Fable II just sort of went in the wrong direction. It focused on the whole "you can do anything" attitude a lot more. Whimsical because insane, and colourful became ludicrous. It felt like "more, but worse". =/ Also, the armours looked cool and fantastical-- I kind of liked the more cartoonish look.

Also, audio in Fable was absolutely great. I'm sorry, but it just was-- the voice-acting, the music, the sound effects-- everything just fit together so well. Fable II was good in this regard too (haven't played 3), but I still remember lots of themes for the first and none from the second.

Fable 3 reuses lots of Fable 1s music.
Only other good track was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnUQ1-pTN4 DOnt look through all the ost one is a spoiler.

I hope fable 4 or 3s dlc uses the spire to reset the world, no guns, just like fable 1, but better assuming they see the light. But I think the spire is broke, looked shorter in fable 3.

It's very... Brown... Though. The thing I loved about Fable and Fable II was the amount of color, the look that it had just come off the pages of a children's book. Fable III... Didn't really have that.

The story also, as I said, didn't really feel like a Fable. In the first game, you ascended from having a pretty good life, to having it ripped apart, to becoming a great hero. In the second game, you stopped an evil tyrant. In Fable III... Well you start out as a prince. So, where exactly can that go?

I also didn't like the fact they gave the main character a voice, that annoyed me more than I thought it would for some reason.

The reuse of so many Fable II tracks annoyed me more than anything though. Each new game in a series NEEDS to have it's own damn music or a variation on the theme. SERIOUSLY. <_<

I am something of a soundtrack critic though. :shrug:

I don't particularly like Oblivion as a game, but if you're going to talk about graphics I dunno how you think Oblivion looks bad, especially considering its age.

Expressions became painfull. His voice was jsut nasty. Gah I hope if they ever go back to fable tlc style they get rid of the voice too.

Terrible combat, terrible NPC interaction, lies from a charlatan, etc etc. It fails as an RPG because the roleplaying is so grotesquely shallow and it fails as an action-adventure game because the action stinks and there's no sense of adventure when you're shoehorned onto a single path for the entire game, and when you've got a dynamic marker in the guise of a dog pointing out hidden treasure to save you the burden of actually exploring and discovering it yourself.

I love the Fable series. The Lost Chapters is my favorite, followed by the original, then Fable III, then Fable II.

I think the game gets over-hyped by Molyneux and the game always falls short of his hype, so the game gets a bad rep.

Only real thing I got against Fable 3 and 2 are some of the spells that are taken out.

They took the dead minions spell out of F3. I liked that.....
But mostly Lionhead promis alot more than they say or just glorify it, so some people get dissapointed. While other really just hate guns in their fantasy realm. And then theres others who hate hoe Fable series has drifted away from its RPG like play style.

But personally I enjoyed the series. Has a nice fairy tale vibe to it.:shrug:
I don't expect much out of it though, so I don't get dissapointed. but its not worth the price tag considering other games.

Having had some time to think, I'm really excited to see where the story will go. It's pretty heavily implied that all the events of Fable 2 were and I was hoping this would be expanded upon in Fable 3, and though it wasn't, it's a plot thread too good just to abandon. I'd also like to see what other lands we'll be able to travel to - I know several other places have been mentioned before - and what the setting will be - if 3 is in the industrial revolution, given the jumps in time so far, it shouldn't be too long before Albion hits the equivalent of our modern age, and even the future.

you want to know whats wrong with fable? Sanctuary.


EDIT:sorry for the outburst nerd rage play for yourself so you can experience what I mean.

I just wish Fable 2 and/or Fable 3 would have come out for the PC so I could see if they were good games or not.