Think I'll just wait until the game comes out and we get an in-game confirmation.

Until then, I'll remain skeptical. If only because I'm trying to give Bethesda the benefit of the doubt.

I guess it wouldnt do any good to tell you that Todd Howard himself once said, before the release of FO3,"For our purposes, neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout:Brotherhood of Steel happened." Doesn't sound like they were planning much for the MWBOS to me. Does it to you?

Making Tactics and F:BOS non-canon means that BSG could repurpose the MWBOS to suit their needs.

Or, they could make a new BOS offshoot for Fallout 4. The CWBOS didn't exist before Fallout 3, after all.

Or not

My lack of faith in Pete Hines' tweets stems from him either being a deceptive snake-oil salesman in the past, or someone who clearly didn't know what he was talking about when he reassured people the PS3 version of Skyrim would run just as well as PC and Xbox 360. Lying or uninformed. Pick which one you like. Either way, until I see him actually apologize for that, I'm going to regard his statements with more suspicion than I do the average statement from a developer/publisher (which I also look at with suspicion).

As for me not buying into the 200 years being 200 years thing, that would make three Bethesda games in a row set 200 years after a world changing conflict, and I just don't see why you would opt into that with Fallout 4. It just seems to box you in creatively and prevent you from extrapolating and building off of what you did before in a meaningful way. It doesn't make sense.

"For our purposes" could easily mean "For our purposes, in F3", and not "not at all, ever, going forward."
It has been stated by Emil that major events in Tactics are canon.

So I am inclined to believe that Todd was speaking to fans who wanted to see what was confirmed as canon from non numbered games, in F3.

-If Pete was the only source saying it is 200 years, I would agree with you. But, that is not the case.

-The 200 years doesn't box you in as much as you think it does. The PC is still emerging roughly 2 months after the events of Fallout 3, and the closeness between the two games let's them tell a more concurrent story.

So according to you, the BOS are from the Midwest, Vertibirds from Boston and Super Mutants from DC...got it. So when they say 200 years, we take it literally, but when they say Tactics never happened, it's ok to speculate..got it. Fit those pieces together anyway you can if that makes you happy. And wouldnt that be great to have the BOS from Boston to Colorado, from Vegas to Shady Sands

I'm struggling to grasp where you discerned that from his post....

how did you get that?

He may have said that, but they've still referenced Fallout Tactics in F3/FNV - so something like Fallout Tactics did happen in the F3 universe, no matter what Todd howard has said.

Ya, except that's not what I said at all.

First, I stated that there are THREE places I think the BoS could have come from.
1)MWBoS
2)The BoS who didn't crash in Chicago
3)CWBoS (I later said it could be CWBoS, and they could still be in Boston after the events of F3, later in 2277)
Go back and re-read.

Secondly, I simply stated that vertibirds being in game wouldn't necessarily because CWBoS brought them. There were Vertibirds in Boston on the day of the great war.

Third, I didn't say a damn thing about Super Mutants. At all.

That is what he is claiming in his post. His argument.

It also directly violates their own self-proclaimed rule that the "timeline marches forward."

But, in any case, we won't know for sure until the game is out. If its two-months after Fallout 3 though, I don't have high hopes for the narrative.

Oh I guess they have Behemoths in the Midwest as well. probably flew in on one of the vertibirds

I feel the same.

You're the only one talking about Super Mutants, here pal.
As I said, go back and re-read what I actually said.
I mean, if you want, I can go back and quote all of my own posts, but I would figure if you've been in a conversation with me for this long, you may have actually read something- anything I wrote.
It's cool. I'll just dismiss anything you say from here on out, since that's what you seem to be doing with what I've said.

Cheers.

You know one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that we assume that the BOS we see in game are there when we exit the vault. What it they show up AFTER we exit the vault?

I.E. the game keeps track of how many days have passed since you exit the vault and after a few months of game time they show up? (Or maybe a main quest where the player is captured by a group and then escapes a few months later only to find the BOS everywhere.

I know what you said PAL, don't give a *uck what you "dismiss"

Obviously not. Because this:


Is completely different than this:

Bethesda said they always move forward in their games. Also it would make no sense for the game to take place in 2277, because that is defiantly Lyons BoS chapter. Or i guess its Arthur's now.

The main ship crashes in Osceola. The rest land in Chicago.

Caesar states he has captured BOS in his most Eastern border, which would be Colorado..thus if it is MWBOS, have BOS from the east to the west coast, which I do not like.

I dont see how you are going to get things like the Super Mutants in Boston in 2 months unless they are enslaved, if it takes place in 2277.

October comes after August, yes?

He's probably including FONV, you remember that game? Yes?

But not after 2281. Unless of course, Bethesda include New Vegas in their "timeline" which seems hypocritical considering they forced Obsidian to adhere to the same rule.

"The timeline marches on, except New Vegas doesn't count." Doesn't have the same ring to it I guess.