So, what do you think about Ulfric Stormcloak? Feel free to explain why aswell.

A man who finds it easier to feel than to think.

Grows more evil the more you know about him.

Reminds me of my Uncle Ken..."ready, fire, AIM!"...missing three fingers, and still goosing the waitress. I like him.

A flawed individual.

Not all bad, has some admirable traits, but a man whose weaknesses and hunger would make him a danger if given the power he has been fighting for.

He's admirable, but too simple and short sighted.

Its funny, because the game wants you to side with the empire (as this is the direction your facing when you can make the choice of who you will enter helgen keep with) and the whole time i felt like a [censored] for killing a bunch of nords. Then i started a new char and was playing the stormcloaks, and i felt like even more of an [censored]. i mean he treats dunmer like trash, wont let argonians into the city... and i really liked whiterun's original Jarl.

I do not like him.

A powerhungry maniac.
The stormcloaks as a union has a good cause but their leader Ulfric is a racist bloodthirsty barbarian and should be kept nowhere near a throne.

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And if you do the main quest before the civil war you get the peace meeting where Ulfric is much more interessted in using the Dragon situation to squeeze advantages out of the empire than taking the ENDING OF THE WORLD seriously.

I felt utterly insulted by his behavior in high hrothgar.
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Long story short. I do not like him at all.

He's either a complete idiot or a horrible tyrant.

Quite true.

I feel like he thinks he has his people bests interests at heart, but only in an immediate sense. Anyone with some foresight could see that the Empire is keen to destroy the Thalmor (uhh, destruction of Thalmor army at the Imperial City showed it could be done) and that buy rebelling against the Empire, Ulfric is actually weakening his people in the long term.

An idealistic crusader. Not inherently good or evil. Makes decisions based on emotions. And keeps a stable mind.
He's not a bad guy, though he's not entirely right, either. He holds to the old ways, and refuses foriegn dictatorship.
In many ways he's the one you should WANT to win, but at the same time can be one you don't wholely agree with.

His followers, on the other hand, are deeply flawed, and most deserve little of what they recieve from their stations.
Racists, murderers, and criminals, though Ulfric demands that your life of crime stay in your past upon recruitment.
Stand with the rebellion and have your slate cleaned, essentially. Not a great way to recruit, but desperate times...

Ultimately, Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak is a hero of the people, regardless if you agree with his positions or not.
He was a true Nord warrior who would be exhalted... but so was Tullius' second in the Imperial army.
Niether the Imperials or the Stormcloaks are the good or the bad guys... they're just enemies.

I think this, more or less, explians how I feel about him.

Of some people. There are a lot of Nords (and members of the other races who have been in Skyrim long enough to be Skyrimmians, born and bred, who have a stake in who runs the nation and how it is run) who don't see him in that light.

But a good characterization. Not sure I (or some of my characters) would agree, but I feel it has some accuracy.

My first impressions of him are not that good. Although fighting for the independence of your country is admirable, I feel his speeches (at least the ones you hear when he is talking to his steward) are corny.

Personally i liked him, woulda done it pretty much the same in his position although the jarls that sided with the imperials wouldnt have been allowed to live under my rule.

Besides look at the imperials armour, there was no way my orc was wearing a skirt.

Ulfic is a lunatic.


Skirt has been man's outfit longer than pants have.

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I had a different experience. I was rescued by Ralof and liked what he & his sisrer Gerdur had to say about things, including Ulfric. And remember the Imperials knowing our starter character has been charged with nothing and is not on their execution list decide to behead an innocent person anyway? As bad as the Thalmor are said to be IMHO so i could see why the Nords were fed up with Imperial rule. Another thing is, the Imperials outlaw the Nord religion by outlawing Talos and even in Morrowind the Imperrials let the Dark Elves etc..keep their own religion beside the Imperial one only. So who is the racist , is it o.k. to be a racist only against the Nords and expect them not to resent it? So for lots of reasons, the Stormcloaks seemed better to me but perhaps more of a challenge to play, with Imperials all over their Nord homeland speaking loudly and freely about the Nords, while the Nords cannot speak freely about the Stormcloaks or even Ulfric even. Imperials kept treating the Nords like footstools instead of valued allies, the list goes on..but evenso i wanted to be more sure, so i waited a bit to be sure who i wanted to join, and then waited before going to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks. By the time i went there i had a Darkelf follwer for some time called Jenassa, and not one Nord treated her bad (nothing like the racism many of the darkelves had in morrowind against outsiders, by a long shot) but when i brought this darkelf friend Jenassa to Wildhelm with me we ran into a guy who insulted me for being with a darkelf, i fought him down to his knees in a fist-fight right on the spot in Jenassa's honor and he surrendered before i killed him and changed his tune. Then i went to see Ulfric. Ulfric did not mind Jenassa being with me at all, in fact when i asked to join the Stormcloaks she stood right by my side and he at some point asked us, why would anybody who is not from Skyrim want to be loyal to our cause, and i answered because Skyrim is our home now (or something to that effect) and Ulfric answered positively, "Well, that is good enough for me!" Ulfric then allowed Jenassa (Female Darkelf) to hear every secret plan he told me (i am a female Nord) as he totally trusted her too just on our word. So i do not think the Nords are racist so much as they fear that some from other races may be Imperial Spies not feeling they owe any loyalty to Skyrim. This is why some (tho not most Nords) occasionally seem to resent outsiders, the Imperials were once fine for being in Skyrim, but they are the ones that got power hungry with their own control and interests in Skyrim being merely for profit and tactical advantage as they look down on Nords as Barbarians and treat them like crud.The reason why Stormcloaks are not seen rushing in on somebody's call to save Argonian caravans is that they think it could be an Imperial trap, like other Imperial traps they have experienced and that if not all there are involved in the trap-setting, all there could be beheaded, just as we (our character even just an innocent bystander) were nearly beheaded at the beginning of the game, least we so easily forget. So i am keeping an open-mind about Ulfric for now and so far so good. I'll know better when i am finished all the Civil War Quests. If i think he turns out to be a cad afterall, i'll let u know. LOL

As for the Jarl of Whiterun, i liked him too. I am sorry he was forced to choose and chose the Imperials or he could still be Jarl. But remember, Ulfric did give him a chance to side with his homeland people and he was not beheaded by the Stormcloaks for choosing the Imperials instead of them. If the Imperials had won and he had chosen the Stormcloaks, the Imperials would have beheaded him if they won. Maybe the Jarl knew that. So at least the Jarl kept his head. He was smart in that regard, at least i'll miss him as Jarl too tho...

Sadly thats mostly lazy programming on the games part, i was an argonian and noone even commented on me going into windhelm when argonians arent supposed to be allowed in.

Mermaidseas, your wall of test is almost impossible to read and Ulfric doesn't say anything about your follower because the game doesn't have it written into it. Not only that but there are only written so many responses to Ulfric's question.

I have played both sides of the civil war and my character is doing the main quest and not the civil war quest this time. My feeling is that Ulfric is standing up for Skyrim but ultimately to get the throne. You really don't learn much about him like why he can shout and why he'd use it in a fair fight. My nord likes her sword much better than a shout which she only uses against tough enemies. Ulfric using shouts again Skyrim's king is like two duelers, one using a Beretta while the other is using a dueling pistol.

I honestly think that the Stormcloaks are good people but are being misled. I also don't like the fact that Bethesda displaced jarl's. Whiterun's jarl wasn't against or for either Ulfric or the Legion. Yes he sided with the empire and took their gold, but I get the feeling that was in the past and he only wanted to keep his hold safe.

I really don't think anyone is wrong here. Tullius is doing his job. Ulfric is doing what he thinks is right. It is ultimately up to the Dovakin to choose or to help resolve it peacefully.

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I think he implies that he have studied with the Graybeards if you ask him about why he killed the High King or if he really did use his voice. He does imply that he did not posses the power to kill the High King with the voice and says he finished him with his blade. Ulfric and a few others also claim it was a duel, not murder which I find believable enough. I think the Murdered the High King with The Voice portays him more as a bad guy than Challenged the High King and used The Voice to get the advantage and win.

Still doesnt make it look any better though.

I think Ulfric is fascinating, actually.

I'm not quite sure why people are saying he's such a racist. Yes, he wants Skyrim to be ruled by Nords but, well, that is their homeland. Weren't the Dunmer of Morrowind rather racist in that regard too? He's not saying "everyone else, get out!". And Windhelm did offer refuge to the Dunmer fleeing the Red Mountain's explosion. No, he's not perhaps overly concerned with their welfare, but give the man a break, he's in the midst of a war. When Jorlief speaks to him about troubles in the Grey Quarter, he doesn't chuckle at their expense. Also, none of the Jarls allow the Khajiit in their cities; this isn't limited to Windhelm.

You also have to keep in mind that he was a former Imperial soldier, who was captured in the Great War, subject to interrogation (read:torture), and after he was broken (some people apparently think he was brainwashed or went over to them willingly? no, read the dossier), they lied to him and said the information they forced from him lead directly to the takeover of the Imperial City. That's a pretty heavy load of guilt to carry around. And of course, once the Thalmor realized his value as the son of a Jarl, and that they now had something to blackmail him with (his "treason"), he was considered an asset. Not an asset in the sense of someone who would help them, but rather as a tool that could be used. What I really want to know is what truly happened in the Markarth Incident...did they demand he ruthlessly slaughter those Forsworn? After that, he wasn't willing to deal with them in any capacity; maybe he felt they required more than he was willing to give, regardless of possibly being exposed as a traitor?

Thinking that Skyrim alone could take the Thalmor is probably not realistic, but it surely does seem like the empire has fallen quite low. Then again, historically, the Nords fought and destroyed (until now) the Dragons. I believe his commitment to the worship of Talos is genuine and not a ruse, especially considering Talos himself was a Nord, and founder of the empire. Perhaps he thinks that all this will make up for giving up the empire. Which, of course, he didn't.

Nor do I see him as particularly power hungry. He sees a wrong that should be righted, and there's no one else doing anything about it. High King Torygg was ineffectual at best, and challenging someone for rule is an accepted practice. He studied for years in High Hrothgar to learn at least one dragon shout, as other Nords have occasionally been known to do; why shouldn't he use that in a duel? Unfair, my ass. If you feel you must fight, fight to win, and use everything at your disposal. We, as dragonborn, do just that! What we claim as birthright, he had to learn. It was only a good ole fus ro dah, after all. haha

But he's certanly not perfect, no one is. Nor is any side the right side necessarily, its all shades of grey. Which makes it so fascinating to discuss!

Ulfric will get a taste of my blade when I encounter him next time. After I got molested and insulted by the dull inhabitants of Windhelm my HE princess has made it her only purpose to see Ulfric and his hilarious Stormcloaks being wiped out.

He is a Thalmor asset and a traitor to the Empire. He is also a racist and an over-all piece of crap.

THIS! Can't find anything that helps summarize what I feel. All the Ulfric haters can eat me :flamethrower: