I still think you're running on ITL, He's referring to the monorail not running as it's scheduled to, and after 200 years, I wouldnt expect it to, machines dont usually exist that long. I still don't see how you call him a dictator because he want's to fix a monorails improper timing. The only thing that happens that is remotely optional is the Kings being killed, and as stated, you can avoid their deaths anyway. I honestly wonder how putting technological progress before playin Altruist equals some uber villian. It just means he's emotionally cold, not a monster.

Actually it would be hard for house to have any self serving motives because he is almost a machine and that means he can't be greedy because money would be useless to him

I think the cannon ending will either be the NCR with heavy loses or the Yes Man ending with NCR maintainting some presence in the area. Either way in 10 game years give or take the result would be the same. The NCR is overextended right now and holding on to the mojavie is draining their resources. Due to incompentance or corruption in the NCR command structure may retain nominal control of the area but will have little influence outside of their bases and colony towns. (Much like the US had/has control in Vietnam or Iraq,)

Houses motivations are accomplishing the progress of a derailed humanity, and it's obvious his oppressing humanity wouldnt aid in said progress, and he's aware of this. I think people are feeling the classic 'Attitude voice? Rich guy? MUST BE EVIL!' thought.

Its obvious its house.

The best ending for goodsprings is house winning and that realy sets the tone for the entire game.

Ncr os obviously set up to fail here. Very obvious thier leader dies here and one hell of a shakeup takes place after this point.

legion obviously stops here and frankly no one likes tribals.

Yes you could be the ruller but then that doesnt fit the wanderer theme.

So house always wins.


Also you will note houses ending is the least long range of all the endings it only goes out about 10-15 years.

Greed can be measured by other desires than money. Greed based on power, House has power, he wants more power. Of course he'll use this power for the "good" of mankind, but hey most tyrants start out this way.

You raise a very good point, but the endings never indicate House expands beyond the Las Vegas region like the NCR or Legion. Honestly, with the Yes-Man ending, I interpret that as him becoming the Dictator, not House.

No, the best ending for goodsprings is the independant ending, nevertheless, I don't think Goodsprings will be the decider. NCR had more better endings if you choose their side.



That depends on the quest, if your talking about Pres. Kimball, I saved him.

I personally think NCR will be canonical. They are the closest thing to good pre-war values (democracy and freedom), and obviously one of the main characters in the entire series.

I think any future storylines could be vague enough about NV that it could apply to any/all endings. The main point of NV that I've noticed is that any faction trying to attain large territory, population, resources, power, and wealth will experience the same issues that eventually lead up to the great war - infighting, corruption, expansion beyond sustainability, poverty, oppression, disconnect between the haves and havenots, etc. New Vegas is pretty isolated in the grand scheme of things, so a little creative generalization could easily apply to any ending a NV player chose.

I am going with House for Canon and the "sensible" choise.

Why?

Because this math genius is a Machiavellian politician with an enormeous amount of strings that we haven't even seen him pull. Sure he is a meglomaniac and has all of the arrogance of the pre-war elite but he has demonstrated extraordinary insight, and he has access to tech both medical and otherwise that makes him a player with far more potential than both the NCR and the legion.

I see him as one of those people who formed ministates in Europe and made sure they stayed neutral... by force of arms, cunning and politics. He is creating a "Switzerland" or a "Monaco" of sorts in the post-war US. His economic and military pull is enormeus and it will take any other player a disproportionate amount of finance and/or military force to get rid of him.

Now even if its tempting to go with "Yes man" I dread what all that power in the hands of an AI will do. Because if you side with YM you have pretty much no controll and you have zero influence on things in the long run.

With House you might have fascism of a sorts but its the kind that promotes growth and technological development not from "square 2" as NCR, BOS and the square 0 of the legion... but with all of the potential tech and knowledge of Robco and associates from prewar-us. Tech (not to mention power from hoover dam) that can be sold or traded to the NCR with huge profits or serious political benefits. Tech that can be used not only to maintain the current robotic army but expand it. I see the rule of House (with the courier as a valued advisor and diplomat) more as a "benevolent dictatorship" than anything else.

Vegas would grow and House would make sure it grows. Not of the goodness of his heart but because an added populace kept docile and compliant through both basic infrastructure such as power and emergency medical care (provided by the followers) and security would mean a workforce and more caps for the casinos, bars and pimps. A workforce to cater to tourists and gamblers. As the city and population would grow so would the need for a skilled workforce and skilled bureacrats, which would slowly but surely build a middle class and an upper middle class. That would mean a need for sanitation, construction, schools, better medical care, ect. Drugs would eventually be licensed or restricted because drugs are bad for Houses business which is Gambling, booze and prostitution. Drugs are a money sink that House would rather keep in his own pockets. Plus a druggie is not someone you can rely on for any kind of middle to high skill workforce. As "the strip" expands into Freeside, the "haves" will move there, and the "have nots" will live in slums outside the city. Eventually the "Have very much's" will build New suburbs.

Also Houses vegas is essentially a potential "Keiretsu", a cradle to grave conglomerate of companies (Japanese style) that could cater to all your needs from cradle to grave... if you have the caps. Readily available Old world tech blueprints would ensure that every need could be met by "Robco/Courier enterprises ltd". Sure the core business of House is gambling, but he is there for profit because profit means more power. And with his unique access to old world tech he would have alot of potential for profit. So eventually he would start constructing workshops and factories that would give the new middle class what they wanted. He would attract skilled help by making certain products only available to the employees of "Robco/Courier" enterprises. And he would perhaps start franchises in NCR territories too.

You can as the courier learn from House. Vegas can grow under House. And you can allways off House when you feel you have learned what you need. Which House ofc does know so he will do his best to listen and teach and keep teaching...

Because if you look at the long perspective the "city state model" of House could be implemeted elsewhere. Find a suitable spot, recruit tribes and have a backbone of securitrons back you up. A "Casino state" of New Dallas or something. And in the long term a "Federation" of Casino states acting as a political neutral party stretching from coast to coast. Expansion along the infrastructural crossroads of america. A Policiy that would also encourage trade that House could levy taxes/shipping fees on.

Caesars Legion? Please. The legion has bound its allegience to one man. Caesar is basically a "Hitler" or a "Mussolini". Once the figurehead dies away the organisation crumbles. Happened to Alexander the Great and all of the other great conquerers in the world that built their empires on oppression and did not embrace technological devellopment and a sound bureauracy. And no matter what, Caesar is not going to live for long. When he goes the commanders of his territories will start squablling between themselves.
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NCR will prosper but loosing Hoover will be a significant blow. House has projected the outcome of what will happen to NCR nicely. They will lick their whounds, and sacrifice their president to have a scapegoat for the failures. Such is the way of democracy. A new president will be elected and to show that he has power he will go for some easier targets than house. "Its time we turn our attention to our real enemies... the legion" or some crap like that. Sooner or later they will be back and they will pressure House into some powersharing deal for the power of Hoover dam, by force of arms and economy. But I'd say that would take at least a couple of decades... by that time House will be well entrenched and have proper infrastructure and perhaps even a "real" standing army/militia aside from the tribals.

I think it's because of the flexibility that Yes Man would be the canon ending, as a lot of issues can be kept in the open, especially when you don't activate the securitron army (Wild Card: You and What Army?)

:stare: I beg your pardon? /Legion supporter

I suspect it will either be Mr House or the Legion, both of which they are trying to establish as major factions, the Legion is bigger than just New Vegas though and Caeser isn't necessarily killed so I'm going to go with Mr House with this one, if the Legion wins then House dies and his 200 year old plan fails and aside from a mention in a pre-war data entry he may never appear again, if the Legion loses, well there's always like all of Arizona.

Not collapse. Most of their territory is pretty stable and overall well of. But they have overreached and their focus will probably be more internally.

House might work. Personally I'd like the independent Vegas option better, an entirely new power in the wasteland (with the Courier and Yes-man at the reigns).

Does Tribals have a hotwizer, speak Latin, are against drugs, have a excellent melee training and does no rely on guns, and kill the NCR President in 2 ways???

It surprises me that so many people think House will be the canonical victor. NCR may not even win, but I cannot see the House ending as canon. Besides, it means thing would go back to they way they were before NCR came. It surprises me even more that some people think the Legion will win as they are the main antagonist.

The only endings I see happening are either Independent or NCR. Like I said earlier, NCR seems to present itself as the protagonist of the game. The game's story revolves around them more than any other faction. And considering they've pretty much been a major part of the Fallout storyline as a whole (in past games). I highly doubt they're building up the NCR to fail.

As a whole we have seen far to little of the American wasteland to be sure about the ending........well at least I hope so :fallout:

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-Only problem with that is that Vegas itself would be hard pressed from both NCR and the Legion to remain "neutral" without a securitron army. The Tribals will not be enough even if they all unite under "one flag" to keep either at bay. Hell, given the disgracefull defeat of both parties they might agree to a "Molotov-Ribbentrop"-esque deal with regards to Vegas.

As For Caesar...

I believe the NCR will have a manifest destiny. Though I'm not sure which NCR ending will be canon.

-Don't get me wrong. NCR will prolly be the foundation of the new post apocalyptic america. But even the NCR is not immune to populism, fragmentation or revolt. Its just alot less susceptable than Caesars legion.

If House goes away so does a crapload of new potential. I would compare it to Lucas killing off Darth Maul the lame way he did.

But Maul didn't die when Obi-Wan bisected him.

-In the movies he did and after a long standing relation with reading lots of the books I thought was Canon from Lucas and that not turning out to be true, I will propose that only what we see in Lucas's movies is Canon... The rest is milking the cash cow.

In my eyes, EU is canon, I don't care what Lucas says.