-Unfortunately Lucas does not care what you or I think. SW is his property and he can and will do whatever he pleases regardless of what any peon might have penned for the EU.

I think it'll be the NCR. I believe that the canon endings for FO1 and FO2 were positive for Shady Sands/NCR, and I think they'll continue down that path. Also, seeing how biased the game is towards NCR I can't really believe any other faction will win.

I don't see why an NCR retreat should be a "defeat" per definition. Its a loss of strategic key areas sure, but I am pretty sure that House knows for full well that he does not need (at least not yet) the full power output of Hoover. Especially with Helios up and running. A way to placate NCRs potential bad feelings about their Hoover dam/Vegas retreat would be to trade Power back to the NCR for either hard caps, political favors or a combination of these. Vegas remains independent, NCR gets power and does not have to be bogged down wasting valuable resources guarding and protecting the dam. Ofcourse NCR would have to get over the sentiment of a sour backside and swallow pride, but that would hardly be the first time in the history of man that happended. NCR provides maintenence and manpower for further repair (from RobCo-blueprints) for the dam and in exchange Vegas provides most of the power they provided before and take over security. I think any politician from the NCR that could broker a deal like that would find a lot of voters, and Vegas would not skip a beat. Why not? Everybody wins.


A strong independent neutral vegas (ofc leaning toward NCR asVegas would need NCR tourists) would be an asset to NCR. Trade, political neutral ground for other diplomatic talks, tech exchanges ect ect. I infact see co-existance as a way more progressive, peacefull and economically sound idea than with NCR taking over everything. Besides having a strategic buffer zone between NCR and Legion territorry isnt a bad thing either.

*repeated headpunch*

There is no "Antagonist", If you think they are the antagonist, then the same would be applied to NCR as they are much worse in troopers, motives, and command.

:facepalm:

Mr. House emerging as the victor seems the most likely, given how he is, to a degree, really the heart of New Vegas the game.
This saddens me, though, because House's ending is one of my less-preferred ones. The facts that in that ending you're forced to wipe out the BoS and that House eradicates the Kings, the most rockingly awesome faction since the Tunnel Snakes, did NOT sit well with me.

@Boradam-While Obsidian claimed all factions were in shades of gray, and they kind of are, there's still a pretty obvious "Legion = BAD" vibe. It's more so just that there's no good guys, but still a definite worst-case scenario.

My ideal ending:

NCR, with the Mojave Brotherhood surviving and entering into a truce with the NCR to help stabilize the Mojave, while the Kings also broker peace with the NCR and help stabilize Freeside.
It'd also be interesting to have yet another BoS faction break away from Western Brotherhood teachings and force them to question their position a bit more. Losing a group that close to home would really hurt.

I agree.

An ideal ending would be like this:
The NCR wins the second battle of Hoover Dam, killing both Cesar and Lanius, but the Legion manages to reorganize itself eastward. With the help of the Mojave BOS, of the Kings and of the Followers of the Apocalypse, the NCR keeps the peace in the Mojave Wasteland. But the war with the Legion wasn't ended...it just moved east.

People put way too much stock in BoS. I really dont get the mass-psychosis that seems to have spellbound people.

Just because they were the "good guys" in FO3 that doesn't mean that they aren't rat-bastards in the Vegas region. Especially since we allready know that Lions BoS is a splinterfraction that grudgeingly decided to help out the locals. It wasnt by design. In fact Lions call to help the locals caused a split down the middle of the CW BoS. Lions faction is just the better situated and better armed.

The Key goal of BoS is to save mankind from its own folly by uplifting themselves to Judge Jury and executioner and the only trustworthy people: They do it by confiscating the dangerous toys(whatever the BoS deems dangerous) of humankind nomatter what the cost... especially if the cost is on someone else. They arent trying to save tech and blueprints for agricultural products, farming equpiment, irrigation, medicine, sanitation or all of the other techs that could benefit humanity extremely. In fact I am rather sure they leave it to rot if they don't destroy it either by neglect and carelessness or outright premeditation.

I see very little benevolence in BoS. Only arrogance and inbred narcissim. But its easy to see them as people, flesh and blood, with worries and concerns. Its in the nature of us, the players, to have a compassionate and forgiving streak. However... If the shoe was on teh other foot, BoS would show no such compassion.

Remember.. in FO 3 the taunts of "Hey local... shouldn't you be banging rocks together or something" vividly demonstrates how BoS percieves the survivors of the wasteland. As mere animals, creatures worthy only of contempt and ridicule.

"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank you, that I am not as other men are..."
-Luke 18.11

I agree. In fact, I almost hated them in FO3, but in the Mojave Wasteland they can form an alliance with the NCR and I guess this is a good thing...especially for the NCR.

Legion antagonist, i can even call myself the antagonist of the game, Mr house too, even Yes Man can be antagonist

Protagonist, Antagonist, that doesnt matter in the Fallout verse

Why does everyone think the Legion is so strong? If you have a high speech skill at the end of the indepedent ending and talk to Legate the main character notes that the Legion doesn't have enough troops to support The Mojave from the NCR, Tribes, and Raiders and Arizona and New Mexico. Honestly I doubt they could anyway with Caesar dead and that leadership missing. Not only that but the Legion's warfare is more so seige but not hold. If you notice they don't have many positions in the game compared to that game. Honestly I think the NCR does a better job than most people realize. They have the largest military presence in the region, they have mulitpe defensive positions to secure and they have slaver tribals from hell raiding their borders. Not only that but even IF the legion wins the hoover dam they've lost CRITICAL leadership that will take generations to replace in the form of centurions.

I doubt House or Yes Man are the offical endings either. The army of securitions will not last forever and from what I've seen there isn't a factory making more. In fact the massive amounts of anarchy when you choose those paths suggest that the securtions have a hard time keeping order of the whole region. The NCR may of pulled out but with I-15 still there they have an easy access route back to Vegas. House may believe he can take humanity to the stars in 50 years but if unknown variables can derail a simple security upgrade so what's the chances of that? In any case I don't see a House ending or Yes Man ending being very interesting personally. (I've liked house much anyway.)

The NCR seems to have the more interesting canon ending. With them you have a relable situation for the average player. When I sided with the Legion on a play through I must say it was hard sometimes killing those troops. (Not too hard of course XD Jack mode). In any case when I saw the NCR I saw a mini-America trying to spread west (them east) and bring civilization. Sure the NCR may be more divided than the Legion and less safe but their economy is two times bigger and they give their citizens freedom and democracy. Not only that but a NCR pushed back to the Mojave Outpost basically ends anything interesting with them in the Fallout future. The delevopers have already said they're not redoing 1 and 2. Besides a NCR trying to bring Freedom and Democracy into Arizona after the Mojave conflict could be an amazing game. Think of the insurgent warfare of the legion, or the hell fight as they advance the capital Flagstaff. I see Fallout Arizona as an epic.

NCR is so over-used and boring IMO.

The legion is interesting? They're the Roman empire without the rome! They're a purely militaristic organization with no real economic, political, social structure outside the military. Now that is boring. Even a Mr.House ending would be better than that (but still unrealstic and it would set us back to where we were at the beinging of NV).

When was this confirmed in the game?
And yes, Legion is more interesting to me.
I don't mind civilization coming to the wastes, but NCR is just... Too much of a mirror to the present real world demographic system.
They're boring cause it's they're too normal.
Give them another 200 years and the west coast will likely look like the present real world.
And I don't want it to be anarchy all the time, but the real world is boring as hell.
At least Caesars Legion brings a new twist to civilization.
Even if they are what you said.

I have my bets on Yes Man or Mr. House. I also have a feeling that if the next western Fallout game takes place in the future, it will be in territory where either the Legion or NCR have dwindled and failed. If it were otherwise, it just seems like getting too far into the future will make things too orderly, so in the midst of a fallen civilization disorder could be preserved.

Lmao what new twist? They're totalitartian slavers, not much else and here.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion
Or even if you don't want to believe wikia (though most of the info is right) just talk to Caesar. The man says himself that's he's creating a totalitarian state, well you want to know something about that? It falls apart, unlike Rome Caesar doesn't have massive bueracracy to make sure the military stays in power, just high ranking military officals, many of whom who are killed (including Caesar considering his medical condintion and the unsafe treatment the courier could provide) even if they win the Dam. As far as the NCR goes I love the fact it mirriors todays world, it shows an America trying to spread east and bring civilization, themes I think Fallout does well. The way the Legion is interesting is if the NCR is in Arizona fighting them on their home soil while it all falls apart.

Uh-huh, but what about revolutionist groups?
What about slaves rising up against their masters?
There's a lot of possibilities with Legion as the bias in the game.
Just cause they're in charge doesn't mean that other factions can't emerge.

....That's what I've been saying, but the only way the slaves could rise up is in a weaker Legion, one in which the leadership has died and there is infighting. But if they're the bias of the next the only way I see it working is a Fallout Arizona with the NCR invading.
My earlier comments: Mojave conflict could be an amazing game. Think of the insurgent warfare of the legion, or the hell fight as they advance the capital Flagstaff. I see Fallout Arizona as an epic.

Oh, that actually makes sense. Didn't see it like that before.

Maybe the NCR's problems are getting worse as well, with the irony being that their focus on slaughtering The Legion cause of their president dying has turned them into a more militaristic faction which puts more resources on claiming land than it does securing it's conquered land, making their society into layers of classes.
Being that second or third class citizens are forced to join up in the NCR military cause "It's their duty."
Could be a chance to turn NCR into a faction with some more twisted morals.

Turning NCR from a shade of gray into a slightly darker shady of gray.

But that's depending on the ending sliders I suppose.
Was a month since I finished NCR's story in Vegas so I don't remember much of their ending sliders.

Still, I hope they do a Legion DLC which shows us how their cities are run.
Maybe that could give us more perspective. (Me included.)

True, if the legion becomes a full Roman society I would quite enjoy it. A Phoenix that's- wait a sec here.



That's basically my thoughts on that, in that cluster[censored] of a text. Basically the NCR would struggle and transform (you can alter that transformation to something good or bad), The legion would fall apart from military infighting, the legion estabilishment would remake Phoenix as Rome and try to make it a upper class city, slave revolts would become more common in Flagstaff as they're given bigger and bigger construction projects, the economy stalls as raiders become more common, mutants in the north are craving their own state, the Brotherhood is on the edge of fission and the Enclave is up to something etc. The legion is cool to me and then there's New Mexico Legion...lol

The NCR ending because if the legion win here then we lose are wonderful NCR once they make New Vegas and the area around it a state then the NCR will recover economically because the taxes from the Casinos alone would repay the war debt this also improves the BOS and NCR relations hopefully and with the data from the Jungle Vault the food shortage might not be so bad (Not saying that it wont happen) Legate will die so that the Legion may live as a faction everyone else points that with Ki-sar dead then Legate in charge it falls apart Real quick. So Ki-sar will live but he will withdraw from the area (it becomes his Vietnam) the NCR will take a break from expanding while there wounds heal and Fallout 4 needs to be in the Midwest so that we dont here anything so we as fangirls and fan males (ok fan boy is dirty?) calm down while they make the cannon ending.

I hope it will be the mr house one. It was you unique and not "good guys always win" though it wasn't evil. It seemed like the correct Vegas style ending

The canon ending? I think you mean the -CANNON- ending... in which the boomers, with their superior firepower, come crushing down upon the rest of the Mojave wasteland in order to reclaim all your neglected firearms and explosive devices.

Canon indeed... pfft...

The Legion or Yes Man, we need something new, the NCR and BOS was used in past games, the NCR will surely lost control with all the corruption in their hands and the BOS was just too weak in the west, the Enclave is just a shadow of the old glory and the others factions dont have the necessary leadership to expand.

I say House should win and the next game the NCR is in (It's inevitable) should be the calm before the storm... A large Civil War breaks out, severly crippling the government.

Most soldiers are either looting equipment and going to the aid of resistance members close to home or abandoning the army and war all together.

That'd be a great story!