I think the order in the Dark Brotherhood is:
Sithis
Night Mother
Listener
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker

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If someone has been around for many life/death cycles of mortal men, he/she is probably a god. It is our mortality more than anything else that defines our form of life. It deepens our yearnings, and heightens the struggle of survival, For that, we are more than gods.

Dang, thats.............deep.

That is profound and beautiful. Best quote ever.

I think he meant which "vision" (for lack of a better term) of Sithis does he follow? From what I understand of Lore, there are two different versions of Sithis. One is a constant, unthinking universal force of entropy that has been present since the dawn of time. The other Sithis, the one the DB worships in Oblivion, is a much different diety than any other incarnation of Sithis. There has been some debate among the lorebuffs that the Sithis that the DB worships in Oblivion is really Mephala, if I remember correctly.

My male witch worships the Daedra, Namira in particular. He just has a fascination with the dark side of nature and he pities the ugly and wretched, and after serving Namira he wears her ring with bride. It also helps that her shrine is located near Frostcrag Spire which is his home.

I didn't know about any of that but I meant was which do you feel is higher on your characters food chain, Sithis or the Night Mother.

I would think the "Sithis" in the Dark Brotherhood is higher or more important than the "Night Mother." The Night Mother seems to be a servant of the Sithis that the Dark Brotherhood worships. Although I think they are all just different aspects of Mephala, who is just fooling the Dark Brotherhood into thinking they are worshipping somone else.

But explain this; the Daedric Princes are their spheres and realms. Sheogorath IS madness and he's also the Shivering Isles. Madness and the Shivering Isles are Him. That crazy old man you saw was just an avatar (and there's some debate as to whether that was the actual Sheogorath). When you walk throughout the isles, you walk throughout Him. How could powerful Daedra be entire plane(t)s? The same could be said for the Aedra.

Oh Tomato, bless this thy handgrenade, for with it thou mayst blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.

As a not-so-religious person (though not atheist, actually), I almost exclusively RP as an atheist... hard for me otherwise...

Wooo two votes for tomato!

:shrug: Only Scarie can answer that. I have never played an Atheist in ES. I am just playing Devil's Advocate.




Well, meddling does not make them gods, just nosy. Again, the Atheist can argue that the creatures calling themselves Aedra and Daedra are just people (or even groups of people) with powerful magic. For example, all these priests and priestess of the Nine running around Tamriel might be a conspiracy that perpetuates the myth of gods in order to secure a position of power within society for themselves. The lower levels might not even be aware that it is all sham. Perhaps it is only the primates who are in the inner circle of the cabal. Once and while they whip off a 'miracle' to wow the crowds. With a bunch of magicians, how hard can that be?

I am with you about the end of the MQ, Mehrunes Dagon and Akatosh going mano a mano sure seems convincing to me! But people can rationalize anything they want, and when it comes to religion, there is more an little of that going around! Someone not there might claim it was all just a bunch of b.s. cooked up by the government in order to give them the excuse to crack down on people's civil liberties and invade other regions, others might claim it was part of the world-wide Altmer conspiracy, etc...




That is indeed a lovely statement. Yet again playing devil's advocate, there is no way to prove that the dude calling himself Sheogorath today was really there a thousand years ago, or even one year ago. It could be a Dread Pirate Roberts kind of thing where the title and powers are passed down from one person to the next. Sort of like what actually happens when you do the SI main quest. Likewise with every other Aedra or Daedra.




Well, if my cat could talk, she would probably say the same about me and my apartment. It is her entire world, and it is all something which to her eyes I have created, and change, however I will it. But I am no goddess. It is all just a matter of perspective.

Besides, who is to say that the Daedric Realms really are a part of their respective Princes? The Atheist can argue that is just a load of p.r. cooked up by the Daedric Princes themselves to make them appear more powerful than they really are.

^^^^^Great Post.
And I like the Drear Pirate Roberts reference go Princess Bride! Also the same thing applies to the Gray Fox I believe.

Inconceivable!

I believe he would be a constant in that case. RainmanMP was talking about level of importance.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

In my oppinion (for waht it's worth) Sheogorath and the other daedra and aedra may just be some kind of unidentified astral creatures that exists not only within the confines of it's own existance but outside as well. It's not magic or godliness it's just how they interact with the world(s) that they inhabit. It's just what they are. There are likely creatures much like the the Aedra and Daedra in the universe that are vastly superior to us humans but that doesn't make them gods. Don't you think that if they were smart enough, ants would probably consider us humans to be gods? But we're not. We just happen to be more powerful and far more intelligent than them, arguably you could say, vastly superior. I'm not denying the existance of anything I'm just saying that superiority doesn't guarantee god-hood. These "gods" would probably worship dieties of their own. Can something that worships a god be a god itself? A more important question is; how do you define a god? At what degree of power is one considered a god. I think everyone will have a different answer to this question. That's why this thread now includes this debate. The athiests either don't believe they are strong enough to be considered gods or simply don't believe in gods at all. The believes think otherwise. In case you can't tell I don't believe that gods exist. Unfortunately this is a very deep philosphic question that no one person can answer (despite many peoples' beliefs.) If it ever is answered it will be long after we're all dead (unless one of you is a god.) The curse of philosophy is that most of it's aspects are largely based on oppinion.


I'm not them so I couldn't tell you for sure. I could venture a guess. In Morrowind, the tribunal's ability to maintain the ghostfense was based directly on the faith of their temple's followers. It's possible that somehow these "gods" are sustained by peoples' faith. No faith = no power or possibly even death. Maybe faith is like food to aedra. Whatever the reason for needing it, it would certainly help people to believe if everybody thought they were gods. Daedra just seem to like making people do their bidding.

Oh and in case there is any confusion and to, in a way get back on topic, question was "what is your character's religion" not "what is your religion" so I voted for Valiri's belief in The Nine.

Generally as far as whats classified as gods Aedra and Daedra they're a means to an end for my characters. They use my character... my character uses them... the female form is worshiped though. :hubbahubba:

Now if I had to choose I'd say no religion kinda a netural position choose my own path not what Talos tells me to do.

My character she really doesn't like how the nine is forced onto people. So no religion, not an atheist but just someone who just wants to do things their own way not what the nine or deadra tell her to do.

That's called Irreligious. It means you don't have a religion, but your not an atheist.

I cast my vote for the Nine, namely Stendarr, because I found his way-shrine first. My character, a Nord who grew up in Skyrim and came down to Cyrodiil to find her fortune, didn't really soak up much Nordic culture. She considers herself a citizen of Cyrodiil, and a follower of the Nine. That said, she does it mostly for the benefits.

Um.

No *** clue ? :blink: