Well I have to sit back in a chair and applaud all the well written posts and that video of da hang amazing I think this thread has run it's course since the OP has yet to reply.

You obviously can't understand the idea of skill. Simply put, it is being good at something whether a video game or anything else. If you think knowing where to camp with a shotgun means skill you are delusional. Camping is shameful as well as using a shotgun. Shotguns are easy mode for those who can't aim or want an easy close range advantage. People who get high KDRs because of using gay tactics have NO skill, such as using a grenade launcher or claymore. Only killing people from behind means you svck. Skill in an FPS is determined how much faster you can kill the other person and survive in direct combat through tactics and aim. Sure a good computer helps but as long as you can get decent fps the difference is minimal. If you want to see skill go play Crysis Wars, UT, Quake, CoD1 and 2, or many older games(newer games are mostly for the noobs that constantly knife and spam explosives). Don't think a racing simulator can translate to real life? Look up iRacing Greger Huttu. This man is number one in a racing simulator and when he drove a real race car he was one second off of a professional time. People skilled at FPS games have heightened reflexes and reaction times. Learn what you are talking about

I will admit that using repeating grenade launchers is pretty cheesy. I will also say though that when I get bored with hit and run tactics or just plain old run and gun gaming, I will pull out these types of weapons just for something new.
But saying the shotty is easy mode is ridiculous, yes you get a big advantage in close quarter combat, but you also suffer a huge DISADVANTAGE if there is any distance at all between you and the enemy. Shotty is harder to use than an assault rifle I think simply for the fact that you have to actually hunt down your opponent, sneak up on him and get the first shot off before he realizes you closed the distance if you can do that win win if not your a dead man. Shotty takes more patience and hunting skills.

I think this thread has run it's course since the OP has yet to reply.
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He's made half the posts in the thread?

1. How fast your PC is really doesnt matter. If you're into gaming, chances are you can push at least 40fps solid on ultra low settings. After that it really doesn't matter. If you cant manage that, you probably shouldn't be playing online. A $500 computer can run Crysis 2 on "high" (i.e. lowest) settings at 30-40fps on a moderate resolution. So really, how good your PC is doesnt matter at all. Its maybe 10% at most. If you get over 30fps all the time, it doesnt have any impact at all.

Again, if your playing on a default, crap mouse you're doing it wrong. To be honest, a keyboard doesnt matter. I can use a default dell-crap keyboard, or a G15 - they are the same for about 95% of things. The only difference is the mouse - and now that a Logitech G5 is about $30, there's no excuse NOT to have a good mouse. As for the headset, yes it matters, but REALLY, if you're good enough you can own face without sound (at least I can).


2. Yes, knowing what your doing helps. This is called being SKILLED. Having more knowledge of something than someone else is basically what makes you MORE skilled that someone else. A (fake) example of this is that i've spent far more time in Cryengine 2 than any of my friends, and as such know how the layout works. Does this make me more skilled in it? Yes. Of course.

3. Yes, of course practice helps. If I play the drums for an hour a day, every week for a year, of course im going to gain a fair amount of skill with it. Why wouldnt I? if im willing to commit a fair amount of time to something, there's no reason I shouldnt get good at it.

You want skill? Go play an RTS, now that's skill

1. How fast your PC is really doesnt matter.


2. Yes, knowing what your doing helps. This is called being SKILLED. Having more knowledge of something than someone else is basically what makes you MORE skilled that someone else. A (fake) example of this is that i've spent far more time in Cryengine 2 than any of my friends, and as such know how the layout works. Does this make me more skilled in it? Yes. Of course.

3. Yes, of course practice helps. If I play the drums for an hour a day, every week for a year, of course im going to gain a fair amount of skill with it. Why wouldnt I? if im willing to commit a fair amount of time to something, there's no reason I shouldnt get good at it.

You have valid points. And as I was thinking about it I think the "knowing the lay out and gameplay" should probably be considered in the skill aspect of it. But I beg to differ on the pc thing. I know because I have gone from a crappy pc to what I have now which is probably a little above an average gaming rig I guess.
But if a person is running an average of 40 to 50 fps ya its ok, but when the **** hits the fan and the excitement all piles up in one place the frames will drop tremendously. I am running the game with my card (5870 2gb) on 1680 by 1040, high settings, and the cards settings to equal (every thing in the middle) and average 80 to 100 fps and when **** gets deep (and I mean really deep) and everything is going off it drops to about 50 to 60.

First person shooters really don't require all that much skill. Its a video game people its not like a career. You don't get "further training" to keep up with your companies competition. I been thinking how it breaks down and it goes like this (or something real close to it).

FIRST PERSON SHOOTER BREAK DOWN.
1. How fast is your pc? This is accounts for 60% of being good at a FPS. If you can't keep up you can't win. Anyone who has gone from a crappy slow pc then went out and bought a real gaming rig knows what I am talking about. I also would like to say peripherals are included in this part. A fast accurate gaming mouse, super responsive keyboard, and a really good Mic Headset to communicate with team mates and hear directional sound (footsteps, where bullets are coming from etc, my sound card and headset actually lets me hear the doppler effect of bullets coming in).

2. Knowing the maps and best places to snipe from, camp with shotties etc. This probably makes up 20% of being good at any one game. You soon learn where enemies tend to camp it up or snipe from and this helps you survive when you know where and when to be more careful.

3. Lastly I give the so called "Skill" the last 20%. Yes fast reflexes on the keyboard, keeping control over you mouse and simply just playing smart helps keep one alive.

I guess I posted this because I just shake my head when I hear about how "skillful" a player is. Its a dam video game quit giving your selfs so much credit. Some people will always be better than others at first person shooters others more adapted to games like WOW.
I usually don't have the highest final kdr rating myself a lot of times because I like to play for fun and try to pull off crazy moves. Instead of lighting some one up from behind and getting the easy kill, its more fun to jump over them and while in the air see if you can pop a cap in the top of their skull lol.

Anyways quit giving your self so much credit its a video game it really doesn't require that much "skill".
Your post reeks of jealousy and butthurt.

(to be fair, Crysis 2 is super **** easy)
Also:]First person shooters really don't require all that much skill....

Then in that case it doesnt require all that much skill to be a race car driver, pilot, or a captain ?

Not even close to the same thing. Are you really comparing how good you are at a video game to something like driving a nascar vehicle? So in your opinion if you are really really good at a stock car racing game on the pc you would be just as skilled at a real nascar event?
http://www.iracing.com
Also, there's also a yearly competition to allow a GT player who posts the best lap times to become a real race car driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCjdx1tTio8

Hey ambush2244, i get what you're saying. To me it seems you're tired of these a*&*&^^s that think they are it, because they have the best equipment and can fps the livin' crap out of their little group of players.

Skill, what is it really. If you can distinguish between talent and someone who has reach the peak of his/her sport/job with hard work, then you might end up with the same explanation as Skill vs practicing a lot with using the best equipment.

Nice little thought you started here, thx man! ;0)

Why would you want to be good at a video game anyway? It just shows you have no life
I, for one, am proud to be average

Hey OP, **** logic.

The skill level and the lack of custom maps like the clans built in CW killed this game for me.
I am not a sit on my ass and play 24/7 gamer/hacker.
For those of us that can only play a few hours a week don't stand a chance in this game. This MP should have been the answer to CW fixes.
Totally disappointed, un-installed and given my game away....

1v1's do not mean **** dumbass...

You stupid ass kids need to go outside and get some air!

You stupid ass kids need to go outside and get some air!
qft

Oh and a real difference? I have one of the best keyboards and gaming mouse you can buy (the best imo, but others would argue it either way its one of the best) So how is this other player going to just out mouse me? I have complete control over my mouse and keyboard, I don't see how someone will be able to take my mouse and work some magic with it I didn't know existed.


i have a mouse at a cost of 5 dollars and it works great, its not how good your mouse keyboard is, its about how you play! and your enemys.

The only fps game online multiplayer that I see takes skill is Team Fortress 2 and Counter Strike: Source.

Pretty much every other fps game is just "whatever" to me. I would say though, that Halo DOES take some skill and is definately a game that takes some time to get good at. I don't care what a lot of you say because it's a console game, but I know for sure Halo is a game that needs at least some skill simply due to its kind of mechanics (this is disregarding the imbalancements of the games tho)

]First person shooters really don't require all that much skill....

Then in that case it doesnt require all that much skill to be a race car driver, pilot, or a captain ?

Not even close to the same thing. Are you really comparing how good you are at a video game to something like driving a nascar vehicle? So in your opinion if you are really really good at a stock car racing game on the pc you would be just as skilled at a real nascar event?

You must be one of the arrogant losers that walks around going "I got skills my kdr is 1.7"
and your height is 5'5 and weight is 264 pds. But ya you got skills!


Look up the name "Sultaan" and that should clear up your ignorance. Enough said....

mouse or keyboard doesn't change anything, most of the times, you just adapt with what you have. But you can't say you don't need skill, i played Crysis 1 and Wars for 3 years and i was unbeatable for a lot of players, there were players who were way better than me, but i was good. Even if you know the map and have a super pc doesn't mean you aim better or know where to be. At first i trouble getting few kills, at the end i defended a building alone against the whole enemy team and succeeded. Its like cooking, at first you can't boil an egg, later you make dinner like some chef. Or there is no cooking skill, maybe you mean skill is something that some people just happen to have because that is a gift.

HEY OP,

Being good at a video game is no different than being good at a Sport.(Which is after all A GAME TOO)
However I am in the same boat of people biching about "Skill"
and whatnot.

It's dumb and pointless.

Well in my opinion your latency and ping accounts for most of your online expierence. I used to get ping rates of 300-350 in COD Modern Warfare. My average K/D ratio was 0.75. When I changed my net connection my ping dropped to around 50-100. I could really feel the difference as my K/D ratio shot up to 2.50.
Of course skill also plays a major role but it's kinda useless when you have a ping of 300 and you're facing someone with 20 ping.
Anyway that's my opinion.
Cheers!!

i disagree.
having played counter-strike for years, i can tell you players are improving and theirs skill in the game is getting better.

in the start you move slow and dont hit anyone. but after playing very long time you will start to see that when an enemy enters the screen you will move towards him immediately.
im not a very good player at FPS games but i do like to play them multiplayer, but i had my moments and ive seen how others better than me play.



the fact that its a game doesnt make it "unskillable".

as a counter-strike source player, I can tell you too that there are skill associated with video games. I was CAL-Invite until CAL closed, the only way to get to that competition level, is to practice with your team, then practice again and again, then to review your matches video and see what you did wrong and practice again.

Amateur practive until they get it right,

Pro practice until they cant get it wrong.

Oh and a real difference? I have one of the best keyboards and gaming mouse you can buy (the best imo, but others would argue it either way its one of the best) So how is this other player going to just out mouse me? I have complete control over my mouse and keyboard, I don't see how someone will be able to take my mouse and work some magic with it I didn't know existed.


i have a mouse at a cost of 5 dollars and it works great, its not how good your mouse keyboard is, its about how you play! and your enemys.


Zalman FPS Gun Mouse FPS 1000

This is "teh Mouse" for FPS games. Shooting becomes so natural, you won't believe it. I use this since Crysis 1, I can't even play with a normal mouse anymore. It is the pwning machine, not the best manufacturing quality, but I love it! Headshot feels like shooting somebody in the head - great experience!
(Warning: training necessary of course)

^^, very nice, i got a DeathAdder 1000Hz, 3500 dpi(set at 1800).
Those shooter mice look great, never seen the likes.

Well in my opinion your latency and ping accounts for most of your online expierence. I used to get ping rates of 300-350 in COD Modern Warfare. My average K/D ratio was 0.75. When I changed my net connection my ping dropped to around 50-100. I could really feel the difference as my K/D ratio shot up to 2.50.
Of course skill also plays a major role but it's kinda useless when you have a ping of 300 and you're facing someone with 20 ping.
Anyway that's my opinion.
Cheers!!



I think this has been well under looked in this topic. As I would have expected this to been more important then your fps or actually practice / game time.