No doubt, I think you've put it best of anyone's posts I've read. The Dunmer and Raga are particularly fun 'mirrors' to look through.

Nero Severus,

Where, in lore, does it state that Imperials are based on Romans? Legion armor in Morrowind the main basis for this conjecture, yet the Imperial architecture in this very game disproves it. The depictions of them in the pocket guides, in the books, and in the games show not only Roman influences but also Tudor and Chinise and gods only know what else. No one said that Imperials were Aztecs either, it was said that their architecture had Aztec influences (referring to Tenochtitlan, which is similar to the late 2nd Era Imperial City in description). There is no single basis for Imperials, and neither is there one for any other Elder Scrolls culture. That would be boring, and therefore wrong

Inspired by all and none,
Ayaan-Si

Like Venice?

They aren't supposed to be anything. They're Imperials. they just happen to have similarities due to where the devs borrowed elements from, and put their own spin on it. Nobody even claimed they were aztecs, only that some of their architecture happened to bear similarities to that of the Aztecs.


FYI, the Aztecs didn't live in the jungle anyway.

Wouldn't that be a qualification for being the worst swordsmen ever? Losing your homeland every time you do that trick is pretty fail. Why not do it to someone else?

Tamriel could be described as our time seen through the eyes of people from different times and spaces with a superimposed monomyth world view. I still like the 'ripples on the pond' and 'proverbial mirror' more.

I was thinking of Tenochtitlan.

Swordsmen, but not samurai.

Samurai follow bushido, which incorporates concepts of loyalty unknown to the notoriously independent-minded Redguards.

"It should be noted here that it is always foolish to think of whole races sharing like minds."

Meh, I'm a bit skeptical, if nothing else because such legends tend to become exaggerated over time.

Edit: First of all, if someone has something to say about my view on it, I suggest they post on this thread. Second of all, it's the sinking of an entire continent; if someone did cause it, then it's highly unlikely that they survived to tell what actually went down. Third, you don't need a nuclear explosion to bring down a tower. Heck, you don't even really need to destroy the actual structure. Fourth, when big things happen, they often get made into even bigger things by storytelling and such.

I should make a thread about what the races are based on...rather than people throwing suggestions around here that overlap.



The samurai were mostly archers...

I wouldn't advise it. It's been argued to death many times. None of the races are narrowly based on a particular real-world culture.

And that applies to what I said how?

It means there was a civil war. They intentionally destroyed Yokuda.

Exactly

The masters of stone magic? Or weren't we buying "the earthquake did it". Either way, it doesn't promote mastery of swordsmanship.

I read the Story of Redguard on TIL. There's something on the game that I didn't understand - the Redguards treating the Yokudans like crap. :confused: Didn't they all come from Yokuda in the first place?

See? Even Dogsbody agrees. Or perhaps is trying to save himself from the work of locking it later.



t happens in real life. Like how the Normans who came to England ended up at war with their countrymen at home. Think of Anglophobic sentiments among some Americans. The emmigrants often feel superior to the old country.

It's more like if house Hlaalu was treating house Indoril like crap after letting the Empire in.

Did the Yokudans let in the Empire? I thought that was the Forebearer's fault.

I think you are somehow confusing mastery with responsible use.

What is the issue with a race in elder scrolls looking 'black' (as if that's one thing anyway)? It's not a problem with imperials or bretons looking 'white' apparently.

Well, there were three waves of immigration. First came the Forebears, many of who'm didn't care for the Crowns that came later. The Forebears were commoners, the Crowns were nobles who came afterward and generally tried to take over matters. Over the course of time, both would have adopted the belief systems of Tamriel to a degree, and both would have developed social support networks rooted in Hammerfell.

The Yokudans are descendants of those who were not part of the "Warrior Wave" (Ra'gada), having come long after the conquest of Hammerell. Thus, they don't have ancestral ties to either the first warriors or to the nobles. Being recent immigrants, they also lack the support network and the economic resources the locals would have access to, making them easy marks. Finally, they carry with themselves a belief system the Redguards discarded long ago. All in all, they lack the advantages of "natives" of that land on multiple fronts.

Pretty much the same reason other peoples who cling stubbornly to traditional ways get dismissed (at best, as outsiders; at worst, as traitors) in the real world. Redguard society (in the broad sense: both the Forebears and the Crowns) adopted Imperial ways pretty quickly and looked down on those who were thought too stubborn, ignorant, stupid, or poor and nomadic to do so.

The Akavri are kinda like Samurai