FACTION? PHEH!

Pheh, I said.

I'm the Lone Wanderer. If I do say so myself, I am a fairly "gifted" killer.

I've done everything I can to scour the wastes of Supermutes, Raiders, Slavers, aggressive animals and robots, and assorted wealthy sociopaths and their filthy Talon mercs. They keep popping up and I keep taking them down.

I think I've done pretty well single handed or with occasional help from friends and pets. :gun:

The BOS have put some effort in, but I can't get into the military schtick. The Outcasts are on their own narrow mission after tech, and have done little to help the average wastelander. The Enclave are Class One A--holes who never lifted a finger for anyone except to kill good people in their genocidal power grab.

Reilly and her crew do a little mapping, and the Regulators and whoever hired them are a good beginning on the path back to civilization, but I prefer to work alone. It's not easy to be a vigilante with such a strong work ethic, but it has it's rewards.

You're welcome.

















(Unless you meet my psychotic cannibal sister.)

Enclave. I support the destroyers of my country with some sort of demented pride. After all, if I can't help Canada, then I will help those who control it.

All of those are suspended as per standard operation regulations during the present state of emergency. Rest assured, the appropriate people have their rights protected.

The enclave are not A-hls, in fact, they are quite the opposit.

Constistitutional Rights apply only to HUMANS, and as I said before, anyone with a RADIATION/ FEV INDUCED MUTATION is not a human, they are close, but not a human.

Sure, the enclave has done some things that commies would find "evil" but its all for the greater good The enclave allows ANY HUMAN in its ranks so I dont see why people think they are tolitarian.

Yes, Pure Humans have mutations but they are not radiation/FEV induced, they are natural. Anyone with a RADIATON/FEV induced mutation MUST be wiped CLEAN, to allow Humans to reclaim our home. Ghouls are as close to humans as chimps are to humans, close, but not that close. Sure, some pre-war ghouls would be beneficial to the Enclave but other than that, mutants must all be destroyed.

God Bless the Enclave, God Bless America.

So tell me what would happen if you found someone who was incredibly gifted in both fighting, strategy, and tactics, completely willing to aid you, but he had a minor mutation, slightly increasing the size of his heart (radiation induced). What would you do then? To a man who's intelligence far out weighs that of your computer/eden, and Colonel whathisface, Autumn. Would you waste that talent, or take it under your wing? Truthfully?

Good question,

Since the Enclave have got our buts wipped TWICE, we might change our "goals". In he mean time, he is a mutant and must be eradicated.

And besides, Mutations by Radiation are MUCH more severe.

In the mean time, all mutants are an abomonation and MUST be killed and destroyed.

and to you brotherhood hypocrites who call the enclave racist i have not seen one ghoul in your ranks or anybody with a severe mutation so who are you to call us bigots when you are just as bad

good night and god bless america god bless the ENCLAVE

AMEN BROTHER!! I was just about to make that Argument!

THe so called BOS is just as racist, so are the Outcasts, and just about everybody. You all treat ghouls like animals (they are) and shoot them on sight. At least we Enclave take them prisoner and TRY to erase their mutation. You peole are just as "biggoted" as any body.

God Bless the Enclave, God Bless America

As I said, the Brotherhood of Steel has lost its way. But the Enclave? I've seen no evidence of attempts to restore humanity to ghouls. Unless you call minigun fire, laser fire, plasma fire, and missiles to be a means of restoring their humanity. What I have seen evidence of is genocidal actions, unlawful imprisonment, torture, and execution of American citizens (and yes, some of those ghouls are more citizens of the United States than you'll ever be. They saw the bombs fall. One of the side effects of their condition is arrested aging.) I've seen fascist confiscation of property as well. In fact, based upon my observations and historical research, that the Enclave has more in common with the Nazis that the United States helped to defeat than they do to the great nation they claim to represent.

This is why we march. This is the very reason that the Founding Fathers assured the right to bear arms. Let us now, as an intellectual excersize, compare and contract the grievances in the Declaration of Independance (which I am most pleased to say survived the bombs, along with the Constitution, almost implying a divine hand in favor of these documents) against King George to the citizens of the American Colonies with the grievances against the Enclave to the Citizens of America (which is all persons born in these lands).

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such disolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sixes and conditions.

Who would like to begin? Consider class in session, as a service to this nation. Though not all are matching, there are a surprising many that are.

Well, since my DNA was twisted like a kitten would twist a ball of yarn, I'd be next in line to fail an Enclave test. I --and you -- would fail it, and thus we would just become another pair of victims of their murderous policy.

Since they have done not one thing at any time to help a single person in the wastes, they fail my test.

They aren't "rebuilding" anything. In fact, contrary to their claims, they are going to great effort to hinder good, useful, helpful stuff that other people are doing.

So I kill them when I see them, like any number of other vermin. And I leave their corpses to replenish the wounded Earth.

Unless I'm hungry.

I chose the Regulators, although I would have chosen the Enclave, if it weren't for the whole 'everything mutated must die' thing.

If they change that, I might consider joining.

An equivalent of the Enclave's philosophy in today's world might be:

The following persons are "undesireable" citizens: Anyone with any inherent physical, mental, or emotional difficulty that is genetic in origin. Examples include persons with Down's Syndrome, persons who are autistic, persons with musculay dystrophy, and of coupse people who were born blind or deaf, and people with IQ's more than one SD below the mean (85 or less).

On or before Nov. 30, 2010, all persons with such genetic conditions shall be required to surrender themselves (or be surrendered) to a designated government facility for humane termination. Family members wishing to reclaim their relatives' remains may do so if they wish.

Anyone refusing to surrender themselves or their relatives for termination will be considered enemies of the state and dealt with accordingly.

While some may regard this action as extreme, we believe that it will remove from the gene pool innumerable individuals who cannot help but be a drain on the economy, and a burden to society at large. Your cooperation is expected.

Now again, I will pass on that. Come for me or those I care about, and I will enforce my will with the deadliest force.

Indeed, but unfortunately it may take a monster to kill the monster, and losing a few individuals to the abyss is a small price to pay for an Enclave-free (and hopefully one day an entirely free) America, isn't it?

The enclave brainwashed you well, didn't they? Mutation is part of evolution and evolution is how humanity came to exist. To wage a war against mutations is to wage a war agaisnt the very mechanic that brought mankind to life. It is so absurdly silly a notion that I'm honestly not sure whether to laugh or cry and certainly not how to respond. Mutation merely means change, nothing more than that. Small change combined with a large time scale means large changes. Radiation speeds this along somewhat (at least in FO, in the real world it merely causes cancer and sterility), but who's to blame for the nuclear war as well as the FEV? Yup, the US government, which is exactly who the Enclave claims to represent.

And what the heck, radiation-based mutations are unnatural? Are you serious? Mutation is mutation. People change and those changes either help or hinder growth. If it helps growth then replication is easier and the change is preserved in the gene pool. If not then the change dies off. Whether or not this change comes from radiation is irrelevant, not to mention quite impossible to tell, particularly since there's a default background radiation even in pre-war settings.

And please do keep in mind that your very own scientists are the jerks still experimenting with FEV. If "unnatural" mutation is such an abomination, why the heck are Enclave scientists so big on causing it all the time? Shouldn't they be working on finding an antidote to neutralize FEV, rather than thinking up new ideas of how to use it as a weapon? After all, FEV is why we've got cheetah-speed bears sprinting about along with reptilian Freddy Krueger wannabes, van sized pissant queens, and scorpions that would scare a T-rex green and [censored]-less. Oh and don't forget the super mutes and their centaur brethren. All those things are FEV-caused, and the Enclave is doing exactly sod all to contain the problem.



Indeed, not hiring them is just as bad as killing them on sight. Absolutely!!

Sheesh, is there a mutated fundie-gene in your Enclave boys or do you take classes in making bad arguments? If you ever travel to Megaton, which I'm guessing is going to get fairly difficult while you're shooting at anything not wearing that ugly-ass Enclave uniform, then you'll find a ghoul bartender working at a bar called Moriaty's or somesuch. A ghoul who'd much rather be home in Ghoul City, I might add. In fact people are quite happy to deal with him and like him a lot more than they like Moriarty, the owner of the bar. And by the way, that ghoul bloke has eaten exactly zero people, which means he's killed a lot less innocents than your average Enclave goon.

Feral ghouls obviously have to be dealt with one way or the other, but I'd say that's a bridge free humans will cross once the Enclave scum has been wiped off the face of the planet. Same thing with super mutes, really. Currently they're mostly hellbent on killing anything that isn't them and that's not tolerable in the long term. Short term, however, they're really ineffective at taking over America and the Brotherhood of Nod Enclave pose a much more imminent threat to the freedom and peace of what's left of America. Once that threat is dealt with, perhaps some of the few surviving eggheads can get together and work on an FEV antidote that will stop the super mutes from eventually mutating into behemoths or maybe even reverse the mutations.

Either way, out and out extermination is quite far from being the first solution to any genetic divergence issues that the anti-Enclave coalition might run into.

It is widely known by Enclave scientists that the human as exemplified by the American circa 2077 was the pinnacle of human evolutionary development. Any abberation away from this is an abomination, as can be seen in the psychotic tendencies of the raiders, the amimal behaviour of ghouls and supermutants, and the agressive anti-governmental ideology of the wasteland inhabitants.

And no, the Enclave are not to blame for the nuclear war, as President Richardson said, it was the Chinese who launched first.

And for someone who claims to know so much about evolutionary science, you shoudl know that mutations cannot be reversed. They can only be eradicated.

Yeah, the people who managed to make a wasteland out of the entire planet were obviously the pinnacle of human evolution. How could anyone ever doubt? of course, there really isn't any such thing as a pinnacle of evolution since it is a process that simply moves forward and which isn't actually avoidable. I also like the fact that you consider aggressive anti-tyranny a sign of human "devolvement" (for lack of a better term), despite the fact that the US was founded on such values.

As for the nuclear war, yes, the Enclave are very much to blame and of course Richardson isn't going to admit it. I mean, seriously, what the hell was he going to say other than "it's their fault!!!", the same way all the Enclave goons around here are taking zero responsibility for the state of affairs despite claiming to represent the US government? Fact is that there was a nuclear war over something as stupid as fossile fuel and instead of spending their braincells on creating a new power source (and thus removing any incentive to fight a war), the Enclave eggheads of times past decided to create the FEV and fight an offensive war against China.

Keep in mind that the resource wars lasted for several decades. The nuclear bomb was invented in less time than that. With twenty years of war taxes, I'd sure hope those thorium reactors would be up and running, at which point electricity would be abundant and all fossile fuel engines could be replaced with electric engines. At that point the US could've sold Alaskan oil to the Chinese and you can bet the commies would've preferred that over a nuclear holocaust.

Finally, yes, mutations can indeed be reversed. If you can create a virus that turns normal humans into oversized gorillas (and that's really what the FEV did to super mutants) then chances are that you can also make a virus that turns oversized gorillas into more humanoid forms. A perfect cure might not be feasible but something that largely negates the threat of super mutes and mostly makes them human certainly would be. Heck, I've had a run-in with a scientist who's trying to do exactly that on giant ants. Did have a minor setback due to a sloppy approach to safety protocols but it's still the same principle.

Thorium?

Are you familiar with Philo Farnsworth? He invented a device that used deuterium suspended in water (which is a naturally occuring event, as any heavy water or ocean water is in that state) to produce a cold fusion reaction. His device was imperfect due to the flawed casing materials of his day, but I do believe that with the kind of materials used to construct T-51b and APA-II power armors that deficiency can be overcome, creating a safe and nearly limitless source of energy. One that, as was once said 'everyone could build one of these in their garage', which is a reference to the device's simplicity and safety.

No, I will not dismantle my own power armor to test this. I get shot at far too often, be it by super mutants, raiders, slavers, Enclave, or those Talon Company miscreants. I think that out here I'm about as likely to find a good supply of parts as I am to find a large stockpile of PPK12s.

QUOTE: And for someone who claims to know so much about evolutionary science, you shoudl know that mutations cannot be reversed. They can only be eradicated.

TRANSLATION: Killing anyone whose genetic profile does not meet certain standards is a perfectly acceptable and justifiable action.

That is Eden's particular gift: rationalizing atrocities.

I side with the Slavers. They pay me good money for the slaves I bring, they sold me the nicest slave bodyguard, and they give me free stuff as long as I have Very Evil karma.

Very nice word play to hide the utter subjectivity in your statements.



First here, you use exagerrated terminology that suggests a widely held opinion, as if to imply that the more people that hold an opinion the more viable that opinion becomes - which is absolute nonsense. It used to be widely known by Vatican members (and then in turn by everyone else) that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Did that make it true? Was Heliocentrism false up until Copernicus and others thought it up? No. That is because what you mean to say is that 'it is widely believed by...', or even 'a commonly held opinion for...'. It is not fact.
Then here's the kicker, after exaggerating the scope of the opinion you then specify a small collective of people that think it, maybe used to infer a credibility within the statement itself. But essentially you're trying to compound your previous notional arguement i.e. 'lots of people believe this', with another conflicting argument that only a specific proportion of people (who's truthfulness is only implied) agree with the opinion.



This is a purely subjective statement. Ontologically speaking there is no pinnacle, it is merely perceived by the observer after he has formed a hierarchy. The rules and criterion for this hierarchy are usually biased to one's own attributes. This is the narcissism of a fascist, totalitarian state.



It's been 200 years, everyone here is an "abberation away" from the so called "pinnacle" that was set in 2077.



MMmmm, all these things have examples of existing throughout history without the aid of a nuclear induced mutation. Your observation is purely correlative, but what you have observed seems to be contingent to the environment that these people are raised and live in. Do you expect people to still be mowing their lawns? having friends over for a BBQ on a sunday? Rubbish.



Mmmm, well for one thing you are basing your opinion of a partial sentence said by Pres. dike dikeson. I'd say that if even I considered the source verifiable (which I don't) you don't hear the full sentence which means the context can be misleading. But then again, who is the only country to date (I mean in irl) to of used nuclear bombs on another nation? Mmmm, who do we know is prepared to use them and may use them again? If I was fighting this enemy I would probably put in a pre-emptive strike too... especially when on the fringes of defeat. But of course you will hold the opinion that they should of just submitted, surrended and then accepted their position of subservience. What would you do in their position? I bet the majority of players here have shot a Fatman into the face of the enemy who was stood right next to them knowing that they would die if they did, and die if they didn't. Same principles but on a collective scale.

Umm ok, you did not have to write that... I keep a copy of the constituiton in my pocket!!

The constituiton applies ONLY TO HUMANS!!!!!!!! Mutants are NOT humans. If you want all your rights back, support the Enclave. Not supporting them will only slow rebuilding down.

OH MY GOODNESS!! The STUPID COMMIES FIRED FIRST!!

The USA was like 25 Miles from Beijiing you anti-American mutant lovers. The Chinese then WET themselves and launched the nukes. America was so close to winning the war, then the damn reds launched.

The Enclave is not commiting genocide, just pest control. Its like saying killing spiders is genocide; its not. Mutants are not humans and are animals, and must all be eradicated for the sake of humanity. Also, how are RADIATION induced mutations Natural? They are NOT natural. Sure, we made the FEV, but to make super soldiers so that we could bring Democrocy to all.

Also, the CONSTITUTION, which I follow with my heart and have read over and over and over, does NOT apply to animals.. only to humans. Mutants ARE NOT HUMANS. GIve it up you mutant lovers, America WILL BE REBUILT!!!

GOD Bless the Enclave, God Bless America!!

You have a point, but there should be exceptions. Just because a ghoul was exposed to large amounts of radiation, that doesn't mean he isn't a person! And if you don't like the things, then just accept them, and accelerate the process of them going feral by giving them a constant supply of radiation. Then people will start thinking they are all bad, and you can just kill them without opposition. And then there are minor things, like say, a 6th finger? Did that person ask to be mutated, isn't he still a person even if he has this minor problem? What would you do if Autumn sprouted a tentacle? I wanna see you shoot the [censored] in the head, and if you wouldn't, then treat the other mutations like you would Autumn. Honestly. You can't just kill everything that's been affected by radiation, because, in one way or another, you all have by now too.

Screw both the Enclave and the BoS. Let the Slavers take over the Wasteland and turn all the weaklings into useful slaves for the strong and powerful, then get rid of all that Lincoln Propaganda crap about equality and freedom. Equality is overrated, and the strong should be allowed to make the weak submissive to them!

Lincoln was an overrated president anyways...

I think we can ALL agree that we would take the Enclave over this lol.