you basically described the boondock saints

when that ghoul lover said "never trust a smoothskin".. use some logic.

hmmm just noticed the "bet you're racist too" part. small uneducated minds always
makes those kind of assumptions.

1. this a video game, so yah.. label me a racist as it pertains to the game.
2. in REAL life I hate/mistrust EVERYBODY until they EARN my trust.

but I'm sure you where talking in reference to the vid game, right?

i always side with the good guys.

I'd go ether with talon company, or the slavers of paradise falls pretty sweet buisness going on there and has earned me alot of caps in the past

Nah, not so much. I'm not Brotherhood because I care for them but rather because they're the one player big enough to stand against the Enclave. As funny as it is to pop Enclave soldiers in the face, it's a bit too hazardous without any support whatsoever. Can't fight "the good fight" against the Enclave if I'm dead, can I? You might, however, with some accuracy claim that I'm suffering from an acute claustrophic and concretophobic breakdown caused by long-term imprisonment in a rather tiny vault and being over the top angry at the only apparent cause of those issues.

Not that it matters much to me, of course. You're Enclave, you die. Violently.


Acute cases of severe facial lead-poisoning would be my guess, though of course medicine isn't really my specialty. :gun:


Yeah, yeah, you sound confident in yourself, but what makes you sure your time in the field hasn't mutated you yet? You're going to blow your own brain out to preserve a clean, human race? If it's any problem, I'll be happy to lend a hand.


With people like you out there, who'd kill her just for contemplating to not kill any ghoul on sight, isn't it actually rather logical not to trust smoothskins? I mean, you and the Enclave are as great a threat to her as any ghoul. More if we consider intentions, less if we consider actual competencies. You're going to kill her on sight, even feral ghouls only kill her if they're hungry. Why should she trust you over a ghoul? As you said, use some logic.


Even if America has to nuke itself? You'd gladly die serving your country in killing 99% of all the people living in your country? Pardon me, but that sounds a bit contradictory, unless you think people live to serve the government rather than the other way around.

Depends on the character.

I have one Enclave supporter.

The rest are simply survivors. Independent. Brotherhood of Steel are just convenient allies.

Even if you don't want to believe it inside, the Enclave IS the REAL U.S. Military. The Brotherhood are imitations of what they say they are. The Enclave is the real deal. And if you're going to kill them and whatever, that's fine. You're betraying your country.

You guys take this way too seriously...

Nope. Captain Maxsom was correct in rejecting the unlawful orders issued by the Enclave shortly before the bombs fell. Those who did not reject those kind of orders, and continue to support them are not the legitimate government and military. After all, the Enclave made FEV in the first place. It's your fault that there are supermutants running around. And made the Brotherhood of Steel by ordering that FEV be tested on prisoners at Mariposa...among other things. Things disturbing enough that Captain Maxsom used the power of summary execution on all of those scientists.

The Brotherhood is the closest thing to the real military left, and they're pretty far lost. The Enclave is just window dressing on a tinpot dictatorship.

maybe your not taking it serious enough

The Brotherhood is what the real America stands for fighting against the Tyrannical Genocidal Enclave even when they have a very low chance of winning. Just like the Americans fought the British (just replace Genocidal with Imperialistic) for the good of the common citizen.

"America". "Tyranny". "Totalitarian". These are all ideologies of a dead world, you fools are never going to bring it back. Technological superiority and military might are what forges dominance in this world. The Outcasts alone will have the means to improve ourselves, while the rest of you quarrel about how to save a world that is already lost.

the world is not lost... just misplaced.

this is just a scar on the face of Americas great history we will recover with a little help from the ENCLAVE we have the strong leader that america needs

I guess it would be the BoS just because the main story leads me to them. Other then that I just keep to myself.

I...see. Well, that's better than raining flaming machinery down on my head, I suppose. Do you have any idea how long it takes to manufacture one of those? How much effort goes into it? And then people just BLOW THEM UP?!

...I'm sorry. I'm all right now.
Really.

*ahem*
You'd damn well better take good care of my birds, soldier. I will know if you don't.
And for god's sake, don't use the lasers to carve graffiti into buildings/rock walls/Mount Rushmore. I have to put up with enough of those shenanigans from my own people.

If you do not support the enclave, you are a traitor to the great USA.......

I admit, I first made the mistake (gulp) of supporting the... BOS.. I am embaressed, I know. Now however, I see the light.

My agenda, my alliegence is to.. AMERICA, we must do WHATEVER it takes to bring our great nation back.

I can only consider giving the Regulators my support. Killing bad people = good fun and a reward. However this isn't goin to ensure humanity's place in the future and they are still mercs (I don't like mercs). I suppose it's a 'I don't shoot you, you don't shoot me' kind of arrangement.

The Enclave - totalitarianism just isn't my thing. Empires build themselves up, they fight each other, they fall. A constant cycle that never changes, people still get killed.... usually the poor ones.

BoS - tyranny with a veil of altruism, an altruism that really only extends to it's own members. These guys aren't evil, but they're elitist xenophobes.

The Outcasts - mmmm, nothing at first to object to. These guys aren't moralistic, as a group anyway. Thay make no grand, universal claim about what your goals should be as an individual, they just suggest that the endeavour to acquire technology will serve the purpose of staying alive. But, hang on!.... What they going to do once they have stayed alive? They're going to find more technology. What are they going to do once they find more technology? They're going to use it to stay alive.... so they basically stay alive to find technology which is in turn used to stay alive. Circular logic that gets you nowhere apart from back to where you started. Their goals are autistic. I leave them alone though, they're happy and don't hurt me.

Reilly's Rangers - just mercs at the end of the day. Parasites basically. Mercs wouldn't even exist if the bigger militarian groups didn't and if the military groups were gone, well, they'd wind up raiding or slaving.

Talon Co. - Mugs for hire. Scum.


I suppose I give my support to places rather than groups. Places like Megaton, Little lamplight, Big Town, and Arefu, where people are trying form relations again, start families, make friends. These people while doing all this may seem ineffectual to all of you with your grand schemes and master plans to save humanity, but it is these people that are making humanity worth saving. :grad:




Well said. :thumbsup:

It's ironic that these groups/factions/organisation/corporations, whatever you want to call them, are the ones claiming to be the 'saviors of the wasteland' while having the very same ideologies and core values as the supposed 'rulers of the land' from times gone by. As those times went by because of the rulers nuking the entire planet, I'm not so quick to trust any of them. You may pick sides and even have allegiances to a particular group from before the bombs fell, and then in turn - blame the opposing group. Seems to me that a lot of people in life pick the side of the coin they're facing.. it's a herd mentality :icecream:

But then, everyone who had nukes set their bombs off, didn't they? When your having a 'tit for tat' battle using nuclear warheads, you deserve to be wiped-out. No matter who you are. :nuke:

The Chinese, the stupid commies started the nuking frenzy you anti-american communists...... America was so close to conquering those commies until the commies wet themselves and nuked us to the stone age.... now, we must regain our glory, our honor.

I'm with those dumb emo vampires. I'd just sit in the cave and listen to Green Day and Lincoln Park all day while wondering why nobody can understand us. Maybe in real life I could STEATHILY KILL ALL OF THEM WITHOUT ALERTING THE ENTIRE GALAXY AND FORFEITING THE QUEST. Agony.


Oh the disappointment.

I remember that was me some time ago. After the quest I hung around there, because nobody would accept me. Nobody understands me because being a kid thrown out of a bunker was soooooooo hard. Being an orphan at 19 was normal in the wasteland, but no. I was special inside. Those guys let me hang around in their metro and listen to Bullet For My Valentine all day. But then, one day, I had an epiphany. I had a canniballistic surge and slaughtered everyone in cold blood. I later ate the remains and hung the corpses from the ceiling. Nearly killed myself for listening to that Bullet For My Valentine trash.

How ironic.

The Brotherhood are indeed limited imitations of what humanity used to be like, but they're much closer to the real thing than the Enclave, and they're the only faction around powerful enough to stand a fighting chance against the tyranny of the Enclave.


I most certainly am not. Back in the days of horseback riding, the very founders of the US considered the possibility of the US becoming what the Enclave is and consequently made the second amendment part of the core laws. Just for reference, the second amendment says that if the sitting government is no longer pursuing policies to ensure the freedom of the people then the people are quite free to form militias and take down the government. Essentially, I'm merely following a notion created by the founding fathers.


Not only are the citizens what makes humanity special, the citizens are what makes a country what it is, and you can always measure a country on how it treats its citizens. I don't particularly disagree with your assessment of the various organizations in power, but preserving the opportunity of the citizens to rebuild human civilization requires that somone or something stops the Enclave from screwing things up more than they already have.


The Enclave is an abomination. If you support the Enclave, you're betraying everything the US stood for.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Remember that sentence? It's from the document that essentially marked the beginning of the US of A. Can you honestly say that your precious Enclave even pretends to follow those standards?

Mutants are not men.

Mutants are mutated men, no?

Based on the assumption that in game America can be re-built and that American values are the same as the values we live to today, I'm very entertained at some of the pro enclave comments, as a Brit we assume the US is a predominately Christian country upholding western Christian morals around respect for others. The Enclave supporters seem to want to be ruled by a terrorist faction which I thought was the exact oposite of what a good america would want to represent.... is there an element of cherry picking aspects of the Enclave that suit the Enclave supporters and ignoring the less attractive aspects like genocide? nothing wrong with that I spose it's just not the Enclave as the game shows it.

But honestly, you chaps confuse the hell out of me with these BOS/Enclave threads!

They were once men, now they are monsters. A supermutant is an abomination, a ghoul is a timebomb waiting to blow.



Its not genocide, its pest control. I think the enclave are trying to salvage something that's already been lost, but I agree with their anti mutant stance, I just think ordinary wastelanders can be useful as servants or traders.